Can anyone help identify this shotgun?

brother1

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I have an old 16ga double barrel, external hammer shotgun that I think was made in Austria and I was told maybe between 1880-1890. That's all I know (and that's not much) there is no manufacturer's name on it, only a couple of markings. If anyone can identify it, I would greatly appreciate it.
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Hope I can post this --- my keyboard is all slippery fron drool! Like the ribbed damascus! Looks Germanic -- might be a guild gun.
I don't recognize the marks as Austrian or German. Can't find those marks in any of my reference books. The best advice I can pass along is to post your inquiry and picts over on doublegunshop.com
Cheers/luck, John
 
The marks don't give any indication based on my refences books either.

I also would be very cautious about firing this gun. It is seriously off the face.
 
Beautiful gun!

Although it looks very Germanic, the little tower mark is called the "perron" and is THE belgian proof mark.

The S with the crown is a mark that indicates who was in charge of the proof house when the gun was marked, and will give us an idea of date of manufacture.

I'll get back to you on that.

Mark
 
Ill give you $5 for it. You pay the shipping of course.

Beautiful gun, while I cant help you at all It was purdy enough for me to stop and post.

$5 hey? thanks for the offer..lol
I forgot to mention, it's not for sale, I'm just trying to research it...and maybe establish a value. thanks for all the input though:)
 
Beautiful gun!

Although it looks very Germanic, the little tower mark is called the "perron" and is THE belgian proof mark.

The S with the crown is a mark that indicates who was in charge of the proof house when the gun was marked, and will give us an idea of date of manufacture.

I'll get back to you on that.

Mark

Mark, your right, that is the perron. I looked at that but I thought the mark might have been too straight to be so -- on second look your correct as usual.
Btw, nice to meet you at the show!
John
 
Its really odd that it is not signed. A lot of extra effort went into the making of that gun. I've never seen barrel ribbing like that before. Thanks for posting the photos.
 
Brother1, what a fascinating gun you have found! The barrel treatment is unique and the Damascus very attractive. Congratulations are due.

I tend to agree that the gun is Austrian in origin, but cannot prove it. While the gun bears Belgian markings, they are not proof marks but inspector's marks. The gun underwent no proof testing in Belgium, but was stamped on import, after inspection. (I once had a Spanish AyA so marked).

I think the gun is from later than 1880. The German system of proof marking was instituted in 1891, and the Austrians followed suite, but were a little more lax in the application of the law as it pertained to guns for export. If it is a German gun then it is certainly earlier than 1891, but if (as suspected) it is Austrian it could be later. The reason that I think it could be a little later is that it is equipped with an Anson fore end. The Anson patent did not expire until 1892 (I think) and your gun shows no patent markings. In addition the bar action sidelocks were less popular among the continental guns than back action designs until the late 1880's. I would place your gun as being from the early 1890's.

If I were you I would send your pictures to Martin Hagn (info@martiniandhagngunmakers.com). He is of German origin and studied gunmaking in Ferlach, so he would be in a good position to both identify the piece and assign a value.

Truly an interesting gun, thanks for sharing.

Sharptail
 
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