Can Canadians Compete At Camp Perry?

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Can any of you fellers help me out?

When I grow up I want to shoot at the Camp Perry matches with M14's or AR's ... but in the formal matches with slings and iron sights. Do we have any similar matches here in Canada?

I shoot for fun but would like to compete too. If any of you guys know anything please let me know.
 
Yes, you can shoot at Camp Perry. Join the NRA. (It is cheap.) They shoot for about a month in late July and August. They have good accomodation on the base and a mess hall.

We also have provincial and national competitions (Ottawa) for these rifles.
 
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Ganderite, please correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe we have any "formal" sling and iron sight matches in Canada for semi-auto rifles. Doesn't commonweath TR specify single shot bolt actions?

One Lung - Canadian Service Rifle (SR) is a much more dynamic shooting event compared to the US as far a I can tell. We shoot at more distances (100, 200, 300, 400, 500 and some closer depending on the course of fire) with snaps (short time frame exposures) rapids (10 shots in short specified time on multiple targets) deliberates (each shot indicated), moving targets (well, we do in Ontario anyway, at this time) and Rundowns (run forward 100 m engage targets, repeat until you finish up at the 100) which get to be pretty darn challenging especially at the last one which starts at 500 at finishes at 100.

Do a google search for ORA Service Rifle to find a couple of youtube vids. You can also check out the DCRA website for the NSCC rule book which has the course of fire for Service Rifle.

Currently your best opportunity to shoot SR would be to travel to BC. The Alberta Provincial Rifle Association does not have SR as part of their program at this time. That being said, they may be quite happy to have you bring an AR or M1a and shoot very slowly, one shot at a time. Not sure, you would have to ask them.

There may be an outside group doing SR in Alberta in the future but nothing has been formalized enough for them to announce anything here I guess. We are sure hoping that SR gets back to AB.
 
I have shot NRA in the US ......service rifle in Canada and NRA They are similar but two different games , NRA has no run downs, different rules They both are interesting
 
The US National Match course of fire is very different from Service Rifle in Canada.
I do not think that you would be able to get a Chinese rifle into the US for the competition.
"Hungry" has shot the NMC at Perry.
NRA also hosts vintage matches for M-1 rifle, M-1 carbine, and vintage bolt action rifles.
 
The differences between NRA and DCRA service rifle matches are significant. The US rules favour the rifle; Canadian rules favour the shooter. To win in the US, you have to be well equipped within the rules, and be a very consistent position shooter; in Canada, you have to be a good shot with whatever rifle you show up with.

To illustrate, for a very long time, the US rules specified no externally visible modifications. The National Match rules let so guys shoot heavy barrels, stocks and fine adjust sights. The service rifles had to look off the rack, except for gaming the internals with lead weights under the handguards and in the butt trap. There were no restrictions on jackets, slings or mitts. Just about nothing military except for the outline of the rifle. In Canada, the military influences are still very strong. The courses of fire is nothing like in the US, with positions, fire-and-movement, teams, every size and shape of target, and no round bullseyes.

To get back to the original question, anyone can shoot at Perry. Join whatever organization you need to be eligible, pay the fees and show up. But, remember the US border doesn't let some of our stuff in, and vice versa coming back. Showing up with a Norinco will stop your trip at the border. But, a rack grade Springfield might not be competitive. A USGI Garand won't cause any ripples either way, but likewise unless you are very well practised, you will only be subsidizing the prize list with your entry.

PS - spend the $35 and get a copy of George West's book, "Mastering the Service Rifle, Competing and Winning with Military Rifles of the Past and Present". George shares the lessons he learned enroute to winning 2 Queen's Medals. He is, The Queens Medalist 86,87 on CGN.
 
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One Lung - short answer: yes you can go. In fact your rifle is perfectly legal and, fwiw, Springfield even sponsors a 'M1A only' match. You will need to join NRA, fill out forms to take your firearm ( NRA form 6 something - it is all on here how to do it), get your ass down there and have fun.
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
unless you are very well practiced, you will only be subsidizing the prize list with your entry.
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I agree with Maple_leaf_eh right up to that statement. At the risk starting an argument, that statement is very limiting to getting new shooters into ANY competitive discipline. Occasionally I come away with some awards from a match. I can hang them on the wall or put them on a shelf and look at them whenever I want. Nice to have but not really a make or break for me personally.

But when I compete I always: 1) Learn something 2) Make friends 3) Make positive memories 4) Have fun - none of those things are dependent on how well I did in the standings.

If I come in dead last of all the competitors I am still ahead of the shooter who stayed home because they didn't have the best gear (rifle, sights, etc). My placement in the rankings is dependent to two things, 1) How I shoot 2) How the the other competitors shoot. I can't control the 2nd one.

Also, as long as the CofF is consistent between matches you can directly compare you're own scores from match to match and see if and where you are improving and/or want to concentrate practice to get better. If you improve your score then you have good chance of improving your ranking.

I do like the fact that Canadian SR is much less about the gear than it is the shooter. I want to build up "ME" as a shooter more so than tweaking my rifle. I think it is important that this continues to be the case. Heck, my SR rifle is something I would happily carry for hunting if I were allowed to rather than one of the ultra-heavy US NM rifles that LOOK like a regular rifle.

If you want to shoot a sport where gear is more important than in SR, try IPSC or F-class.
 
Bolivar said:
Ganderite, please correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe we have any "formal" sling and iron sight matches in Canada for semi-auto rifles. Doesn't commonweath TR specify single shot bolt actions?

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I was thinking of Service Rifle when I mentioned shooting in Canada.

However, so far as Target Rife is concerned, I have had guys beside me in a match, banging away with a Norc m14. I recall in the old days some die-hards using the FNC1 in TR competition. The only rule is that the rifle must be single loaded.

It cannot have a muzzle brake. Too hard on the guy beside you. It would be ncie if your brass was set to eject in a safe place.
 
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Anybody who thinks that NRA across-the-course High power rifle is easier or less about the shooter than Canadian SR because of tricked out 12 pound rifles really needs to go shoot a couple full 80 round matches back to back with irons and a sling on their AR (ie no elcan and magazine jammed into the ground).

Granted there are no run-downs in the NMC but that's what they have NTIT (rattle battle) for.

Just saying.
 
I'd actually like to hear from somebody who has done both. I've only read about the NMC and it seems closer to TR than what we can SR to me. I'm happy that we have something relatively dynamic to shoot up here and that it stay relatively current with equipment and sighting systems.

The NMC does seem to be challenging and I am sure I would do much worse than my normal score in SR at least the first couple of times that I tried it but it just doesn't seem as fun to me....again, from what I have read.

As for Rattle Battle, it's the first I have heard of it. I looked it up on the internet but wow it seems confusing at first read. I would have to go over it again a few times to grasp it.

Do the yanks shoot movers at Perry at all?
 
I've shot a fair bit of nmc and a whole two Canadian SR matches.

To compare them isn't really that meaningful, as what we're referring to as US service rifle is more three position target rifle shooting, shot with what is in the "service rifle" class.

To my knowledge there is no NRA sanctioned 'combat arms' type of competition like we have here with NSCC , other than NTIT.

NTIT is a riot. Teamwork and precision + chaos and noise. If we had the range access and full cap mags here it's all I would shoot.
 
I haven't shot NRA high power in the US but I have shot TR with a 'NM' tuned AR in TR with a coat. Comparing TR/F Class, Can. SR, and US Highpower to one another is apples and grapefruit.
There is a physical element to Canadian SR that is met by no other shooting sport I'm aware of (aside from military competitions -where the shooting is almost secondary) - not even IPSC comes close. But...
As far as degree of dependence on markmanship principles - success in all of them requires a firm grasp and execution of them, so to say you can do well in any of them without it is a fallicy IMHO (the employment is just different).
 
Bolivar said:
I'd actually like to hear from somebody who has done both. I've only read about the NMC and it seems closer to TR than what we can SR to me. I'm happy that we have something relatively dynamic to shoot up here and that it stay relatively current with equipment and sighting systems.

The NMC does seem to be challenging and I am sure I would do much worse than my normal score in SR at least the first couple of times that I tried it but it just doesn't seem as fun to me....again, from what I have read.
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I have! just in Pendleton just not in Camp Perry ....same rule book and no movers that i recall

Exactly ! they are their own disciplines and have their own demands Sorry Maple Leaf I don't agree with you on one sport favoring the rifle ........they all do to a degree but the shooter is what cuts the line

Do the yanks shoot movers at Perry at all?
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They didn't when i shot the in pendleton
 
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