Can I bring someone to the range with me and let them use someone else's rifle?

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So I recently gotten my PAL (well in the mail :D ) and my friend wants to go to Silverdale to shoot once I get my papers in order and get my first rifle.

So the scenario would be I have my PAL/a rifle, he doesn't have a PAL/rifle. He usually goes to the club with his dad as walk ins and he can shoot his dad's guns there as his "guest" since he has his PAL.

Can I "borrow" one of his father's rifles so he can use that and both of us go shoot at this club together? Or does he have to be using my rifle?
 
For nonrestricted firearms, if you have a PAL and the registration certificate you are in legal possession of that firearm and may do anything that the owner would.
 
You've asked two questions.

For the first one of whether you can borrow your friend's father's rifle:

Yes, as long as you are licensed for that class of firearm (33.a.i) and the owner provides the registration certificate for that firearm to you (33.a.ii).​

For the second one of whether you can have your buddy shoot with his dad's gun while you shot with yours:

No. Since your friend is not licensed he must be under the direct and immediate supervision of a person that is licensed and registered for (or legally lent) that firearm (33.b). If you are shooting you own rifle, you are not directly supervising your friends use of the other firearm.​


Firearms Act ( 1995, c. 39 )

Authorization to lend

33. Subject to section 34, a person may lend a firearm only if

(a) the person​

(i) has reasonable grounds to believe that the borrower holds a licence authorizing the borrower to possess that kind of firearm, and

(ii) lends the borrower the registration certificate for the firearm, except in the case of a borrower who uses the firearm to hunt or trap in order to sustain himself or herself or his or her family.; or​

(b) the borrower uses the firearm under the direct and immediate supervision of the person in the same manner in which the person may lawfully use it.​

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/ShowFullDoc/cs/F-11.6//20090714/en
 
Thanks guys, I think the way we're going to work it is 2 guys with PAL + rifles and one other guy so at least 2 of us can be shooting at the same time.
 
Me, I have always been of the opinion that, once someone has demonstrated to me prsonally that he won't shoot me or anyone else, he would be under my direct and immediate supervision if he and I shot side by side. Of course, maybe someone whose first PAL is in the mail might not yet have sufficient experieince superivising, teaching and shooting along side others to be able to either make that judgement, or to be able to detect when something untoward is happening. Direct superivision need not mean eyes glued on subject, nor does immediate supervision mean that. It also means not leaving buddy alone on the line while you go off to chat up the guy with the uber cool shotty, or while you drive off site. But hey, the law does not say you have to glom onto the guy like a mommy. Maybe someone has case law that says that, but if it is just a CFO blowing wind, feed him more beans.
 
Thanks for the insight ykkid, you are right and I did get a little overexcited about the whole thing, but I mean its overwhelming being new and having all these ideas in your head. I don't think I'll be the only one to admit how exciting it is.

Funny enough I had a similar conversation with my uncle over the weekend (who is experienced in shooting sports and hunting) to talk about shooting/hunting as well and he had the same thing to say. He's the one teaching me to shoot and basically said that you can't learn everything in one season.

So having taken a few steps back, I'm not ready to bring anyone to the range yet and in addition to him taking me out he referred me to an intro course at Sharon to handle and shoot several types of handguns and rifles that I'm trying to register for today. Like everything else, I try to take every precaution I can but there's no substitute for experience.
 
"direct super vision" wouldn't that mean he just has to be within talking distance without any aid? (ie radio?) my girlfriend has her hunting license but not her PAL, and i have always assumed as long as i can talk to her so within 30yards, is direct.
 
Gope said:
"direct super vision" wouldn't that mean he just has to be within talking distance without any aid? (ie radio?) my girlfriend has her hunting license but not her PAL, and i have always assumed as long as i can talk to her so within 30yards, is direct.
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That will get you in a HEAP of trouble.

Arms length. If you can't grab the gun out of her hands when she's breaking one of the golden rules of gun handling, she is NOT under direct supervision.
 
If one has a hunting license, then they had to demonstrate safe firearms handling.
Even more so then the stupid Canadian Firearms Course you take now. Which by no-means makes you competant enough to handle a BB gun in my opinon.
Ranges have their own guidlines generally toward this subject. Check with your club.
 
ACTS

PROVE

I believe that encompasses most any situation handling a firearm...

In Ontario, the only thing gun-related to hunting licensing is the ethics and caliber selection.
 
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