Many elk and moose have been taken out of the bush by people who did not have help, but in the case you mention about 3 guys with tags hunting elk everyone can help with the last elk, packing and dressing, they just can't shoot it
Can I carry a rifle??
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Many elk and moose have been taken out of the bush by people who did not have help, but in the case you mention about 3 guys with tags hunting elk everyone can help with the last elk, packing and dressing, they just can't shoot it
I'm looking forward to the official answer too. IIRC possession of a fire arm during a legal hunting season is considered proof of hunting. I am under the impression that in Alberta, your license is the paper receipt which goes with your tags. You must purchase a license (and are issued tags with that license) for each species you are hunting. Here are some related clips from tha Alberta Wildlife Act. I would say buy an upland gamebird license and take a shotty, first round is small shot for that grouse, second is buckshot for the bear/cougar.
“hunt” means, subject to subsection (6), with reference to a subject animal,
(i) shoot at, harass or worry,
(ii) chase, pursue, follow after or on the trail of, search for, flush, stalk or lie in wait for,
(iii) capture or wilfully injure or kill,
(iv) attempt to capture, injure or kill, or
(v) assist another person to hunt in a manner specified in subclause (i), (ii), (iii) or (iv) while that other person is so hunting;
(p) “licence” means a valid and subsisting licence issued under section 13(1) authorizing hunting, and includes a tag or other component part of a licence;
Hunting without licence
24(1) Subject to subsection (3), a person shall not hunt wildlife unless the person holds a licence authorizing the person, or is authorized by or under a licence, to hunt wildlife of that kind.
(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to hunting that is specifically authorized by or under the Agricultural Pests Act and, to the extent that subsection
Requirement to carry licence or other proof
26(1) A licence holder hunting wildlife shall carry the licence authorizing the holder to do so.
(2) If a person other than the licence holder is authorized by or under a licence to hunt wildlife and hunts under the authority of that licence, that person shall carry an instrument signed by the Minister or the licence holder stating that that person is lawfully authorized so to hunt.
AKA if you tag out but your buddy still has one, you can assist him as you still have a valid license. No license whatsoever, no helping on the hunt.
“hunt” means, subject to subsection (6), with reference to a subject animal,
(i) shoot at, harass or worry,
(ii) chase, pursue, follow after or on the trail of, search for, flush, stalk or lie in wait for,
(iii) capture or wilfully injure or kill,
(iv) attempt to capture, injure or kill, or
(v) assist another person to hunt in a manner specified in subclause (i), (ii), (iii) or (iv) while that other person is so hunting;
(p) “licence” means a valid and subsisting licence issued under section 13(1) authorizing hunting, and includes a tag or other component part of a licence;
Hunting without licence
24(1) Subject to subsection (3), a person shall not hunt wildlife unless the person holds a licence authorizing the person, or is authorized by or under a licence, to hunt wildlife of that kind.
(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to hunting that is specifically authorized by or under the Agricultural Pests Act and, to the extent that subsection
Requirement to carry licence or other proof
26(1) A licence holder hunting wildlife shall carry the licence authorizing the holder to do so.
(2) If a person other than the licence holder is authorized by or under a licence to hunt wildlife and hunts under the authority of that licence, that person shall carry an instrument signed by the Minister or the licence holder stating that that person is lawfully authorized so to hunt.
AKA if you tag out but your buddy still has one, you can assist him as you still have a valid license. No license whatsoever, no helping on the hunt.
No they are not legal, but I question the wisdom of attempting to prove you weren't hunting illegally, by possessing ammunition that is illegal to hunt with. You might just talk yourself into a second charge. Charge#1; Hunting big game without a valid license, charge#2: Hunting big game while in possession of non expanding ammunition
[QUOWhat is in red is aiding him in hunting. And you can not do that in Alberta unless you are licenced. You can carry your gun for self protection and or to shoot a wolf or coyote but you are not supposed to aid him in the hunting part.TE][/QUOTE]
Well I got the "official" answer from Fish and Wildlife and they were clear and helpful.
Duffy - You were right on in your assessment of the situation.
Fish and Wildlife says that you cannot aid your buddy in getting his elk. You can go along for the ride/walk, gutting and dragging out but you cannot actually participate in the hunt by spotting, radioing, calling out or pushing bush for him.
You can however, take your rifle for self protection or for hunting and shooting coyotes or wolves. It is recomended you walk with your partner in this endeavor. I'll probably take my .303 Jungle carbine with 10 rd mag.
If you shot a cougar in self defense it would have to be reported and then an investigation (examination of the cougar carcass) to determine entry and exit holes and see if the self defense call was truely legitimate.
Well I got the "official" answer from Fish and Wildlife and they were clear and helpful.
Duffy - You were right on in your assessment of the situation.
Fish and Wildlife says that you cannot aid your buddy in getting his elk. You can go along for the ride/walk, gutting and dragging out but you cannot actually participate in the hunt by spotting, radioing, calling out or pushing bush for him.
You can however, take your rifle for self protection or for hunting and shooting coyotes or wolves. It is recomended you walk with your partner in this endeavor. I'll probably take my .303 Jungle carbine with 10 rd mag.
If you shot a cougar in self defense it would have to be reported and then an investigation (examination of the cougar carcass) to determine entry and exit holes and see if the self defense call was truely legitimate.
skneub
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Buy a cougar licence if there is one in that zone..then it wont matter
... there is a season there yepseason is open in your zone dec 1st 2012 to feb 28/2013 check the regs on page 59 , there are a few things you need to know ..eg it may close early and you need to call 1 800 661 3729 ...listen to the message on closures every day before you set out
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No they are not legal, but I question the wisdom of attempting to prove you weren't hunting illegally, by possessing ammunition that is illegal to hunt with. You might just talk yourself into a second charge. Charge#1; Hunting big game without a valid license, charge#2: Hunting big game while in possession of non expanding ammunition
I'm pretty sure that a good attitude and common sense goes a long way with CO's. A obvious coyote round ( FMJ 128 grain steel core) designed to not expand is exactly that; a fur harvesting round. Yes it could be used to shoot a deer, but not by anyone with common sense.
I'm guessing that they are a lot like LEO's; a bad attitude and they will find something to charge you with.
I'm pretty sure that a good attitude and common sense goes a long way with CO's. A obvious coyote round ( FMJ 128 grain steel core) designed to not expand is exactly that; a fur harvesting round. Yes it could be used to shoot a deer, but not by anyone with common sense.
I'm guessing that they are a lot like LEO's; a bad attitude and they will find something to charge you with.
I like how you are so cavalier with OP's personal safety. If he wants to carry a gun there should be no reason not to. Two cougars were killed in August 2011 after separate attacks on pets and children in the Kananaskis area.
Mark
"I like how you are so cavalier with OP's personal safety."
I've been rambling around cougar country for the last 50 years, most of it on Vancouver Island where there's one behind every bush. I like carrying a gun as much as the next guy and have seen more cougars than most people, but I've never felt threatened and still think if people are that scared of the bush they should stay home.
I've been rambling around cougar country for the last 50 years, most of it on Vancouver Island where there's one behind every bush. I like carrying a gun as much as the next guy and have seen more cougars than most people, but I've never felt threatened and still think if people are that scared of the bush they should stay home.
In Ontario if you are hunting in a group and you have used your validation tag already, but others in group still hold valid tags for what you are hunting, you are permitted to continue in the hunt. I believe this is the wording from the reg's. Is Alberta the same for allowing party or group hunting?
Well, I guess my feeling is I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. How stupid would you feel if there was an attack and your gun was back in the safe at home.
I'd rather feel slightly embarassed carrying a rifle in the bush when there's probably was little likelyhood that I would need it. Not many people get hurt by overeacting but lots get injured by not taking precautions.
