Can i live without AO?

Big JD-From the hills

Big JD-From the hills

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I want a fixed power mil dot scope for my savage le2b, preferably a 10X. I am thinking of going with the bushnell 3200, but it does not have side focus/AO. Realisticly i will probably only be shooting at the most 500 yards(maby some shooting at 700 800 yards, but not at game). But my concern is that coyote at 50 yards. Without AO do these scopes have paralax issues at shorter ranges? What about longer ranges? One benifit would be i would never be caught screwing with power or the AO wile seconds tick away and the shot may be lost.

Whats out there for under $1k, actualy preferably under $800 with fixed 10x, target turrets, and mil reticle, and maby side focus? I wish there was a 4200 serise that had all 3, plus side focus.

Or maby the 6-24X40 4200 with AO and mil reticle is my answer(semi targe turrets?)? Does the Milliradian grid stay the same on this scope, or does it change with power?

Latter all!
 
Go with the Elite 3200 scope. close range is still clear enough to pop a varmint. Beyond 100yds, no issue with parallax.

If you want a scope with sf or AO, your budget is very generous and there are tons of options.

Jerry
 
How about a Leupold 12x @ $529us
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http://www.leupold.com/products/products_highlights.asp
http://www.riflescopes.com/products/LEU58650/new_leupold_12x40_fx-iii_riflescope.htm

If you don't like the reticle, Leupold will change it for you ($65)

Michel.
 
If you want to shoot small groups outside of 100 yds (most scopes without a/o or side focus are parallax free at 100 yds.) you will want the adjustable objective. The precise adjustment elimintes equipment induced problems. Once you start seeing how much parallax is present (that is if you are particular) you will want one. If all you are trying to do is hit a pie plate, don't be too worried. Its always funny to see how many people under estimate the value of parallax adjustment:D
 
I agree with Joe on hitting a pie plate. If that is all you need then the AO is not required.

To see how much effect a scope with a AO has look thru one at 100 with a AO and one without. While looking thru the scope move your head ever so slightly around and see how much the hairs move around the target. Look thru one with a AO and adjust the objective while moving your head around. You will eventually get to a point where moving your head has virtually no impact on the movement of the hairs around the target. They stay put. That is what you are striving for. So imagine the point of aim with the AO and one without. It could mean the difference between a great group or what was that group!!!!!!!! Same goes for that little gopher.

Cheek weld is important all of the time but I feel it is that more critical if you do not have that AO on your scope.

JMO


Calvin
 
"If you don't like the reticle, Leupold will change it for you ($65)"


Its actually $95 if you are getting it done here in Canada...I just dropped off a scope at the warranty place to have one changed yesterday.
 
I know i have observed paralax problems at say 25-50yards with a non adjustable scope. But most scopes past say 100-200yards on the AO... you don't adjust that much maby a half inch to an inch... vs say 2 or 3" for 10-100.

Well that lepold is out of my desired $800 price range, and it would end up being over 1000 if i wanted the reticle changed. also its 12X...
 
A/O scope

Went to a shoot a few years back north of Montreal PQ put on by Miranda Sports, over 300 shooters, rifle varmit, open class, at 100yards and 22rimfire at 25 yards well my brother had a Rem 540 bedded and worked trigger, a weaver T6 with a/o and 1/4" dot shooting Elley 10x ammo that gun won
Ist, 2nd and 3rd Place by three diffrent shooters up against every kind of high end 22 rifles I have ever seen, even the judges thought we where shooting over target as each group was one small hole. and I know it was because we had no paralex in our scope. if you want to shoot small groups you have to have a AO scope. My brother also won varmit class and I lost open in a shoot off.
 
Take a non-adjustable scope where the parallax is factory set to 100 yards...are the parallax issues worse below 100 yards or over 100 yards?
 
Big JD-From the hills said:
I know i have observed paralax problems at say 25-50yards with a non adjustable scope. But most scopes past say 100-200yards on the AO... you don't adjust that much maby a half inch to an inch... vs say 2 or 3" for 10-100.

Well that lepold is out of my desired $800 price range, and it would end up being over 1000 if i wanted the reticle changed. also its 12X...
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Last I checked there was a used 12x at WSS saskatoon. You might want to check it out. doesn't have Mil-Dot reticle though...or Target turrets...
 
Anyone know how much adjustment(moa, or inches) there is on the bushnell elite scopes?

What about a tasco super sniper? Any dealers in canada that carry, or have a line on these scopes?

I would like the 10X42 mildot, with side focus.
 
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Join the club:( I am also looking for a Super Sniper here in Canada and am not having any luck. I would buy the bushnel 3200 with mil-dot in a heartbeat, BUT it does NOT have the adj. AO and for what is supposed to be a sniper/tactical scope, I cannot for the life of me see WHY they would NOT include this important feature.:mad: Guess we'll just have to suck it up and spend $1000.00 plus to get something decent.:rolleyes:
 
I've got a Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14x40 side focus mil-dot if anyone is interested..
 
Big JD-From the hills said:
Anyone know how much adjustment(moa, or inches) there is on the bushnell elite scopes?

What about a tasco super sniper? Any dealers in canada that carry, or have a line on these scopes?

I would like the 10X42 mildot, with side focus.
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Both scopes have about 100MOA of adjustment. SS are not carried by any Canadian distributors. You'll find them for sale occasionally here on this board. The Busnell is readily available in Canada. I have one SS and two Busnells and like each type very much. The Busnell has no adjustable objective (AO) though. The SS is available with either rear or side AO. SWFA in Texas is the only company retailing SS's and they won't ship to Canada any more because of US export restrictions. If 10X is what you are looking for, I suggest you'll be well served with the Bushnell Elite. I consider it one of the best scopes you can buy for the money and it's available here in Canada for around $240.00 ;)
 
If I only shoot 25 yds to 100 yds with my .22 rilfe, Do I have to get a scope with A.O. ? Is that a big difference between a Bushnell Trophy and Banner model ? Thanks.
 
cwlam, an AO is critical to your style of shooting especially if you want some magnification. Otherwise, 'focus' will be way off.

I would lean towards the Trophy but would also suggest the Legends as a great alternative. Used products are a great way to get a 'better' scope for the same money. Buy the best optics you can. Your eyes and rifle will thank you.

Jerry
 
cwlam3 said:
If I only shoot 25 yds to 100 yds with my .22 rilfe, Do I have to get a scope with A.O. ? Is that a big difference between a Bushnell Trophy and Banner model ? Thanks.
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The dusk/dawn Banner 4-12X 40mm A/O is a fine scope for a .22. Although not side focus, it is easy to use. I see them in the case now at Walmart sporting goods dept....
For the woods hunting I do, I just set the objective at 25 yds and leave it. Seems to work well that way for me. (I don't get a lot of shots over 50 yds- when I do, focussing the objective like a "manual focus" camera lens keeps it on the money)

You can get "rimfire series" scopes that have parallax factory set at 50 yds. These work well for me as well in the woods situation, but I like the Banner better...

Regards,

Doc Sharptail
 
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