Can i shoot Crows PLEASE

black sunshine said:
im just curious to know if i have a small game licence and so on an so forth ,
can i go out and blast the hell out of as many crows as i can ,
just for the sake of, OH !!! say having fun ,target practice ,sharpening my skills,or say making the world a place with fewer cases of west nile or any other reason you can think of including pest-control.

or do i actually have to do something with it like keep it .
and if i can just blast the dirty little bastards how many can i grease a day .
because i alwase see the loud mouth sonofa#####es when im out hunting small game, and id reilly like to just blast the f@#$ers ,but im alwase worried that im gunna get in s**t for it.

Hopefully you're going to eat them. Killing things for the sake of "target practice" is exactly the type of ammunition that can put hunters in a "bad light" so-to-say. And shows little to no ethics on the shooters part.

I can understand culling certain animal populations because of crop damage, but usually those are deer, and I'm sure the hunter would make use of the meat etc.

Varmints are another thing that can cause damage to crops, fields or pose dangers to livestock, and for such reasons, would need to be controlled.

Personally, I can't see crows doing all that much damage or posing risks to your livestock, but I may be wrong?
 
OneBarfly said:
Not meant to hijack, but are there any ethical questions to be explored here? If you shoot something, should it not be for a reason other than just for the sake of it? Food/varmit/population/damage control ???
It's not just for the sake of it. There are valid reasons for shooting crows, just as there are for prairie dogs.

44fordy said:
Personally, I can't see crows doing all that much damage or posing risks to your livestock, but I may be wrong?
Yep, you're wrong. ;)


Here are just a few reasons of why it's not just for s**ts and giggles.
Except for the handful of recipes for preparing crow, why in this day of rampant animal rights fanaticism, should we continue to hunt and kill an animal that has no real monetary value? The reason is that the crow has and continues to exhibit behavior that ranges from simply annoying to highly destructive. In agricultural areas, be it the pecan plantations of the south or the cornfields of the mid-west, crows continue to account for extensive crop damage, including the nasty habit of pulling up sprouting grain in the spring. Western crows have the worst reputation for crop damage, especially because of their habit of congregating by the thousands to feed on cultivated fruits and nuts. Often, they end the day by raiding a nearby watermelon field in order to save a trip to a distant watering place. Under such conditions, total crop loss can occur.

Where their ranges overlap, crows severely impact the annual waterfowl populations. When the hens begin laying, crows break open and eat the eggs. Later they will return and devour the fledglings. In the 40's a biological survey was conducted that really shows the damage crows can cause to the waterfowl in the Canadian "Duck Factory". It was shown that crows in close proximity to duck nesting areas took an average of 110 to 120 eggs or fledglings per crow per year, approximately 20,000,000 ducks. During the same year, sportsman only took 11,000,000 ducks. A common slogan of the time was "Kill a crow, Save a duck". At a time when waterfowl seasons are being dramatically reduced and even canceled, the survival rate of waterfowl at their breeding grounds is paramount. Shooting crows can make a real difference. Crows also take a heavy toll on upland game birds, including direct responsibility for at least 4 1/2 percent nest depredation on ruffed grouse and in California crows have been implicated in the endangerment of the Mojave desert tortoise. They also prey on small mammals such as rabbits and squirrels and have been known to kill prey as large as newborn lambs.

Here's the complete article. http://www.crowbusters.com/whyhc.htm
 
Not only all of the above, but crows attack my favourite all time bird of prey, owls. There are a lot more crows and ravens out on the Hutterite colony's garbage dump than there are owls, I'm just trying to even up the odds a bit. :shotgun: I doubt that my shooting will ever make a difference though.
 
Fall Guy: I think the reason a small game licence is not valid between June 16 - August 31 is this part of Ontario is the heart of cottage country. With all of those Toronto-Liberals running around up there...can you imagine why....??? ...and they all have cell phones...(I can say this because I too live in the GTA).

Now a response to 44 Fordy -

"Hopefully you're going to eat them. Killing things for the sake of "target practice" is exactly the type of ammunition that can put hunters in a "bad light" so-to-say. And shows little to no ethics on the shooters part."

To this point - crows are listed as a game animal and therefore are legal to shoot.

I'm having a hard time with your signature......

Crows fly right???

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44Fordy

"If it flies....it dies"


What's this all about...??? You might want to consider changing this.....


Fall Guy said:
NO THEY ARE NOT!

Page 79 of your 2006-2007 Regs "Residents license tag to hunt small game"

"A small game license aslo permits you to hunt American crow, brown-headed cowbird....or starlings. This license is not valid in northern Ontario and part of central Ontario from June 16 to to August 31. (see Map 2 pages 8 and 9 fro more details)"

I asked a couple of CO's last summer why the season is closed for a few months, they didn't know.
 
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Besides, it's common practice over here to use dead birds such as crows for coyote bait ... Shoot'em in the morning, stick around till the yotes come in to snack on the carcasses, and take those too ...
 
44fordy said:
Varmints are another thing that can cause damage to crops, fields or pose dangers to livestock, and for such reasons, would need to be controlled.

Personally, I can't see crows doing all that much damage or posing risks to your livestock, but I may be wrong?

They cause damage to my ears when I am quietly listening for deer roaming around in the bush!
 
In BC you can shoot crows. Ravens are a protected species but you can shoot as many as five on private property. Ranchers hate them during calving time. Reports are they will peck the eyes out of a calf while being born.
 
Don't know about the calf story, but, while I was visiting your province many years ago, I did in a goodly number of crows, by sitting hidden uner a lone tree in the middle of a paddock, and using my crow call to imitate an injured crow. Crows will eat the eyes out of their own kind, I've seen it, and they gather in numbers when they hear a crow in trouble. That makes for good shooting. I was able to get four or five sometimes before they figured out what was happening. They're far from stupid, once you've been made, they won't be back.
 
WOW.....I sure started some controversy eh?

Yes, the sig lie is "if it flies....it dies". But personally, I only kill something if I'm going to eat it. That's just me. Whether an animimal is legal game or not, for me, it has to be edible.

Crows making noise when deer hunting is not nearly as bad as those f**king red squirrels whom love to give you away! Still, I won't kill them for making noise.

tracker said:
Crows eat song birds, grouse chicks, baby rabbits and more.
Well, if that's their natural diet, sobeit. I wouldn't kill them for that reason. Quite honesly, song birds are about the most annoying things going!! They wake up at the crack of dawn with their "lovely little sounds"!! haha...PHUK THAT....They're a$$holes when I'm trying to sleep in, which is verrrry rare.
Hopefully the crows will eat all those annoying little pricks!

In BC you can shoot crows. Ravens are a protected species but you can shoot as many as five on private property. Ranchers hate them during calving time. Reports are they will peck the eyes out of a calf while being born.

I'd say that's a very valid reason.

Besides, it's common practice over here to use dead birds such as crows for coyote bait ... Shoot'em in the morning, stick around till the yotes come in to snack on the carcasses, and take those too ...

Interesting, and I'd say that's valid too...heck, I use worms to fish with, so bait sounds like a good reason.
 
It was shown that crows in close proximity to duck nesting areas took an average of 110 to 120 eggs or fledglings per crow per year, approximately 20,000,000 ducks. During the same year, sportsman only took 11,000,000 ducks.

This is my sole reason for killing crows. They arent hunted anymore like they were back in the 60's and 70's and have become pretty numerous. I can take you to 2 separate roost that will hold 5-10k crows each in the fall.

My goal is saving 200,000 ducklings each and every year.( I dont plan on eating them though) I just bury them if I'm near a spot where a pet might get into them or let them lay where they fall other places.
 
44fordy said:
WOW.....I sure started some controversy eh?

44 Forty i didnt mean to offend you or any one ,and i apaulajise if i did .
I realize my original post sounded kinda heartless and portrays me as a bad ass un ethical killer of all healpless things .

to me, it would seam like you are a very sound and a ethical hunter with good morals .
i will be more carefull about the way i word my threads in the future .
i didnt mean to come accross the wrong way .

i to was raised to belive that i should only shoot somthing if i am going to eat it .
you also seem to be the kind of person that id like as a hunting partner .

although when i was a kid i wanted to kill kill kill ,for all my adult hunting life i only shoot somthing if im gunna eat it .
crows arround the areas were i live arn't a sirious problem and even though im alwase tempted to blast em, i dont .
until i posted this thread i didnt realize the sirious problems they do cause and see why people do hunt them. and i would never criticise them for that with out first finding out all the facts .
I personally cant see myself specifically going out to hunt crows but now that i know some facts and a little bit about the law ,regarding crows ,when im out hunting grouse or rabbit and them damb crows are going off like a air raid siren ,and there aint no eatable game arround to scare off .
im probably gunna shoot em .
i hope you can understand .
and i also hope you dont judge me to harshely
 
Ya, you can shoot them, just not out your back window, might come through mine!

Go knock the ones off the top of city hall or Roberta Bondar tent, at least your shootin the right direction then!;) :D
 
All Ravens are is just TROPHY Crows! Just Kiddin'

A good way to tell the difference while in flight is to look at the back edge of their tail fan. Raven's have a rounded tail fan and a Crow's is flat.
 
Your right Mad Dog!

I know these guys are just having a laugh, but If I was a Gun Hater, This thread would probably be cut and pasted on the morning edition of the Sun!! The Libs would likely pay for the space!!

Steve
 
SteveS said:
Your right Mad Dog!

I know these guys are just having a laugh, but If I was a Gun Hater, This thread would probably be cut and pasted on the morning edition of the Sun!! The Libs would likely pay for the space!!
Oh please. What's wrong with this discussion? This isn't just killing for the fun of it...and there's nothing wrong with people getting enjoyment from it.

How is this any different from the hundreds of other threads on varmint hunting? Do a search for some of those threads...they even have pics! Nothing wrong with those threads either btw.

If someone was going to take things posted here and put them in the paper, it wouldn't be about getting rid of some destructive, nasty birds. :rolleyes:
 
44fordy said:
WOW.....I sure started some controversy eh?

Yes, the sig lie is "if it flies....it dies". But personally, I only kill something if I'm going to eat it. That's just me. Whether an animimal is legal game or not, for me, it has to be edible.

Crows making noise when deer hunting is not nearly as bad as those f**king red squirrels whom love to give you away! Still, I won't kill them for making noise.


Well, if that's their natural diet, sobeit. I wouldn't kill them for that reason. Quite honesly, song birds are about the most annoying things going!! They wake up at the crack of dawn with their "lovely little sounds"!! haha...PHUK THAT....They're a$$holes when I'm trying to sleep in, which is verrrry rare.
Hopefully the crows will eat all those annoying little pricks!



I'd say that's a very valid reason.



Interesting, and I'd say that's valid too...heck, I use worms to fish with, so bait sounds like a good reason.

LOL!!!!

X2 I hate those little bastards. I used to live down south, never seen em before in my life. Their not even a 3rd the size of a black squirrel. Yet they have 10x the balls.

My first run in with them was out on my property last fall grouse hunting. Scared the phuckin snot out of me when I was being real quiet and walking slowly down my one cut line, then WEE WEEE WEEEEEEE I went :eek: looked to my left, and like 3 feet from me standing on a spruce tree was the lil bugger, their kinda cute, look like a chipmunk.. too bad you can't shoot em though. They do give you away when your in the bush IMO errr
 
black sunshine said:
or say making the world a place with fewer cases of west nile or any other reason you can think of including pest-control..

Crows don't spread West Nile... Mosquitoes do.... and theres no bag limit or licence required to shoot mosquitoes.
 
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