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This has been debated on rec.guns and GlockTalk about 10,000 times. There are basically 2 schools of thought:

School #1: Don't Do It
Glock barrels use special polygonal rifling not found in most handguns. This rifling is one of the main reasons Glocks are extremely accurate guns. However, the same rifling can cause a high degree of leading when not using jacketed bullets. In other words some lead from the bullet sticks to the inside of the barrel when it is fired. Too much leading can quickly lead to high pressures which can cause the barrel and/or gun to break or even explode. Most people who weigh in on this subject fall into this category including Glock Inc.

School #2: Don't Worry About It
If you clean your barrel well and do it every time you shoot there will be no significant leading. Many, many people use lead bullets almost exclusively in their Glocks and do not have any problems whatsoever.

Additional notes from Hoss:
Not all lead is created equally. You can shoot lead in your Glock (probably) but you should use a hard lead from a reputable manufacturer. The homemade lead bullets made from wheel weights and other recycled lead should be avoided! Just becuase one type of lead bullet and load shoot fine in one glock does not mean it will be safe in others. Each barrel is different and must be carefully checked when first using lead.

Additional notes from JT:
You *can* shoot lead in a polygonal barrel, as many Glocksters do. But you need to be aware of some potential dangers in using lead bullets, not to mention voiding your Glock warranty if you use non-factory ammo.

First, if you decide to use lead bullets, use hardcast bullets at medium velocities for best results. This will reduce potential leading of the bore. Theoretically, polygonal rifling allows the bullet to seal the gases better than traditional land and groove rifling, thereby increasing velocities but also increasing potential problems with bore-leading-induced pressure spikes. Lead particles from the bullets have no where to hide in polygonal rifling as in the lands and grooves of conventional rifling and with better bullet-to-bore sealing, serious pressure spikes can develop when the bore is fouled.

However, note that some dismiss the purported velocity increases with polygonal rifling. Mike Orrick (GlockTalk's "BrokenArrows") has pointed out that his chronographed results of identical loads in conventionally-rifled barrels versus same-length polygonal barrels yielded higher velocities in some of the conventionally-rifled barrels.

Secondly, absolutely get all the lead out after at least every 200 rounds to avoid lead buildup, pressure spikes and potential corresponding kBs! With the tighter seal of the bullet, pressures can increase significantly in polygonal barrels. There have even been reports of Ranier-type bullets shedding bits of copper jacket in polygonal barrels, causing the same pressure spikes that are caused by excessive leading. Just be sure to use hard-cast lead bullets or good-quality jacketed bullets and keep the velocities down to earth.

Thirdly, polygonal rifling doesn't get the same grip on the bullet as conventional rifling. This may affect accuracy with some loads, especially hot ones. Even with using copper-jacketed bullets, some LEAs have reportedly banned the use of polygonal barrels in duty guns because of the potential difficulty in forensically identifying the rifling patterns on a bullet shot from a polygonal barrel. IOW, it's sometimes impossible to identify which polygonal barrel a particular bullet was shot from. Who shot whom?

Another recommendation is to moly-coat your lead bullets and/or treat your barrel with one of the spaceage lubricants, such as TW25B spray from Kleen-Bore. This will definitely help the cleaning process and may even increase velocities slightly and help with accuracy.

Last, but not least, most experts recommend getting a conventionally-rifled barrel from replacement barrelmakers such as Jarvis or Bar-Sto if you shoot a lot of lead. These barrels generally offer more case support than stock Glock barrels as a bonus. Use your replacement barrel for practice and the stock barrel for carry.
 
Don't care about the ####ing barrel but lead vapour damage your lungs pretty bad. I saw people put different type of bullet including lead; copper plated or FMJ and CMJ down the Glock barrel and never saw a KB. But it is your lungs??

Trigun
 
I used to reload 200 gr swc and completely stopped. The feed ramp angle on the glock is very shallow. So, If you have a lead semi wad cutter in the mag, the empty casing being extracted will strike the wad cutter, thus deforming it and giving you a stoppage. Yes, lead fowls the barrel up pretty good as well. I only use jacketed ammo. Lead safe bullets would be the best choice. Lead is just harmfull period. I rarely shoot Black powder anymore due to the amount of lead i was exposing myself to.
 
I bought an after market barrel for my GLOCK to shoot lead reloads; but I found shooting lead bullets also causes a lot of residue to build up in the frame. This isn't too big of a problem, except that it seems to be more sticky than normal build up from jacketed bullets (I assume it's the wax on the bullets that do it). I've found that this build up causes my slide stop not to function.
 
Anyone try it in a 45acp glock? Being a lower velocity and pressure round anyway, it might not be as bad as some other calibers, especially if loaded to target velocities. Just curious, I've got enough TMJ bullets to last the next year or so, but who knows what the future might bring.
 
Sig_1959, yes, you can use lead reloads in the factory barrel for your Glock. The first thing to do is pick up all the 40 S&W range brass you can find, sort the brass so you can find the rounds that were fired in a Glock (rectangular strike mark on the primer) and only use this brass. What is next? Get a reloading manual and only use MAX 40 S&W loads. Lastly, let me know what range you are at so I can be somewhere else! Surely, there is some reason Glock cautions against the use of lead in their barrels. Regards, Richard:)
 
Don't care about the f**king barrel but lead vapour damage your lungs pretty bad. I saw people put different type of bullet including lead; copper plated or FMJ and CMJ down the Glock barrel and never saw a KB. But it is your lungs??

Trigun

The dangers of lead as they relate to shooting are highly overstated. The origin of the "Lead makes you dead" school of thought is California, where the State government passed a resolution that required the labelling of anything with a high lead count as toxic. Long term constant exposure to lead, including lead vapour is hazardous, but there's a certain hysteria that simply takes things too far. It's similar to what happened with asbestos, the people who were mining the stuff with no protective gear got sick and died - well no sh*t. Mining anything without protective gear will kill you, ask a coal miner, tin miner, silver miner........ I worked very closely with lead as a representative of a major battery manufacturer, including burning (casting and fitting) posts and assembling batteries from individual cells. Every six months I had a blood test, and every six months it came back normal, regardless of the 'lead activity' level. When I left that job I had a last test six months later - no change. If this occured with me spending at least an hour a day over molten lead, I can't see how shooting could possibly be more harmful, especially outdoor shooting. Glock Kabooms, now those I have seen - don't shoot hot lead reloads (especially in 40 cal) in a Glock. The 2 Kabooms I've held were both 40's both shot with lead, both loaded to IPSC major with light bullets.
 
Trigun

"Don't care about the f**king barrel but lead vapour damage your lungs pretty bad."

You get more lead "vapour" from the primers than you will from the bullets. Virtually all the "smoke" you see from shooting lead bullets is from the lube burning off. If you live in a large city you might want to check what you breath in every day if you want to get a chill down your back.

Glock polygonial barrels differ from those used in Tanfoglio pistols. I have shot thousands of rounds through my Tanfoglio and have yet to experience any leading in the barrels.

Take Care

Bob
 
Now I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember reading an article that said its not the polygonal rifling in Glocks that the issue with lead bullets. In fact other manufacturers that use polygonal rifling have no such warning HK being one if I'm not mistaken. The issue with lead in Glocks is the steep transition from chamber to barrel that has the potential to lead up. Just something I found interesting. YMMV. :)
 
GIGGIDY, Glock barrels along with Sig and Ruger barrels lead up in a hurry. High pressures, the build up of lead, range brass, and an unsupported chamber (in the case of the Glock) can lead to disaster! Regards, Richard:)
 
Bit of a story here. Friend of mine was at a range when one of the shooters besides him asked about his Glock 17.

The shooter told my friend that rifling was peeling from his barrel. He took the pistol apart and checked out the barrel. It turns out it wasn't rifling that was the problem it was pieces of lead :eek: were peeling from the barrel. Turns out the shooter was shooting led through his Glock and haven't cleaned it in a while.

They cleaned the barrel at he was good to go. Bottom line you can shoot lead through Glock factory barrels but clean often.
 
If you want to shoot lead from your glock just get an aftermarket conventionally rifled barrel and you are good to go.
 
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What is often? For regular jacketted or plated bullets, I clean around 6-800 rounds, and consider that to be more often than I probably need to (mainly just because of boredom, and wanting some extra gun fondling time). Is often, every 100, 200, 500? Would it mean I should bring my cleaning kit with me to the range? I typically clean it every second or third range trip, putting between 3-400 rounds per trip.
 
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