Can someone explain Over & Under?

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Why, for the love of God, does it cost so much for one? You can get a semi auto, pump, and SxS for close to a grand with lots of quality, but if you want a a barrel on top of a barrel, it costs thousands? I am not including used or "Condor" products in this generalization their history is either bad or unknown.

Can someone explain this?
 
well here is an easy solution for you...

Get a CZ.

I bought a Canvasback in 20ga 26" for small games and it works great, even for clays....
Actually the last time I went shooting clays to the range, some people asked me if it was a Beretta.... because of its nice wood and finish.
And price wise, it is less than 1000$ and it works flawlessly .

Hope this helps!
 
2 tubes instead of one. Lots more mechanics in the trigger. Less breakdowns and less cleaning required. What Blasted Saber said. Etc. ....

IMHO, cheap guns are cheap for a reason. Fine, if you are going to shoot 200 shells a year, but they won't stand up to 300 per week, year after year.
 
Major Sights said:
Why, for the love of God, does it cost so much for one? You can get a semi auto, pump, and SxS for close to a grand with lots of quality, but if you want a a barrel on top of a barrel, it costs thousands? I am not including used or "Condor" products in this generalization their history is either bad or unknown.

Can someone explain this?
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Depends on your definition of lots of quality. I had a Canvasback 20 gauge o/u and I have a CZ Ringneck SxS. They are great guns for the money but put them beside a gun that costs a couple of thousand or more and you will see the difference. And we are not just talking looks wise. Look at the internals to see the real difference. Not saying the guns aren't over priced but there is a definate difference. Same with my Ringneck. All I have to do is put it beside one of my older English or German guns if I want to see a difference. But it all depends on what you need one for. For the average guy, a $1000.00 CZ will do just as well as a $30,000.00 gun.
 
THere are utility "hunting" grade over unders.

Take the Maverick hunter over under for example. A true economy o/u with poly furniture. No fancy schmancy wood or engravings for$400-$500 bucks. Stoeger also makes some affordable o/u shotties, I haven't heard anything bad about the condor line like you say.

The problem with over unders is they are usually the shotgun of choice for those old, super rich, fuddy types who like to drop 4k on a shotgun and sneer at anything less on the skeet range. So the market provides them with such.
 
Major Sights said:
So the CZ line is a better quality then the IGA (Stoeger?) Condor line?
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Definitely... and I own a Stoeger....lol.... Stoegers are great for hunting and occasional shooting but I would never bother even trying to shoot trap with one etc.... not that they aren't as "accurate" as any shotgun but they aren't made to stand teh test of time.....

If you want a good deal on a surprisingly well made shotgun look at the Hatsan line of over and unders.....
 
I own a Stoeger O/U. Its no Browning but its blasted many clay birds without any issues. Its biggest cons are its heavy to carry hunting all day and its walnut wood is very porous. Trap shooting with it is great. I actually hit more birds with it than anything else I own. If your looking for a O/U that you don't mind scratching, it does do the job. I refinished mine since I disliked the super glossy finish they come with. If you set it beside a nice Browning, its kinda fugly...
 
Well,Im not exactly the "old, super rich, fuddy type" but I do love my O/U's and Ill tell you why. Take my Browning Citori 20ga,for example. Its not 4k but it sure as hell is a quality piece that anyone can tell as soon as they pick it up. Its the general feel,the look,the way it points,the wood,the metal to wood finish etc. Even the way the action locks up with that solid sound. Now if your clay shooting,or hunting,its really nice to have two barrels with two different chokes,one open for the first close fast moving target,the second tighter for the further away target. When your walking between stations with the gun open,everyone knows its safe at a glance,so you dont have that trust thing you do with pumps or semis.

Now about SxS's being cheaper than O/U's,dont think so,check out the new Holland+Holland,the Boss,Parker guns or LC Smiths. You can spend more on a SxS than most people spend on a house.

Theres just something very classy about twin barrel shotguns,it has a certain appeal to anyone that values tradition,craftsmanship,and true function.
 
Yes ,you can get low budget SxS's just as you can get low budget o/u's. But when you start going up in quality (and name) the SxS price has no limit. So they are not cheaper than o/u's.
 
What about an Ithaca SKB 500? I have a line on a used one for $399 in "Good" condition.

Over and Under. 26 inch vent rib barrel choked mod and improved cylinder. 80% blue with case wear, use marks and some scratches. Checkered walnut stocks with no scratches. Butt stock was shortened and nicely relengthened back to a 14 inch length of pull. single trigger, auto ejectors and tang safety.
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For 399 you had better grab it .there a good quality gun .only draw back is SKB has gone out of business so your not likely to find parts if you ever need them .
 
Turns out it was gone. Website wasn't updated.

Oh well. I'll just use my 870 Tactical Magnum (with a 26" barrel ;) ) tomorrow to give trap a try. I'll keep my eyes open for something. However they did have a nice Winchester there for 699.... :D
 
I apologize for a bit of hijacking of this thread. What do you guys think of the start of the line o/u 's from Browning and Beretta for skeet? Something like the Browning White Lightning is in my budget. I guess the Beretta Silver Pigeon S or the Silver Pigeon I is close as well?

These seem to be listed more as 'field' guns. Is that just because they are cheaper than the fancier versions or will one be at a real disadvantage with these over their more expensive 'skeet' or 'sporting' versions?
 
There are specific features that make a "trap" gun distinct from a "skeet" gun, and likewise with "field" guns. Choking, barrels, fore-ends, ribs, triggers, and most important, stock design all play a role in determining how good a gun will be for a given task. Typically skeet guns have shorter barrels, more open chokes, a lower comb height, and slightly different recoil pads.

Anyway, I know a couple guys that have newer Brownings, less than a year old, and have to send them both back for repair. Neither gun has been abused, nor has either been treated to anything other than light trap loads. They also inform me that Brownings service sucks; one guys gun has been gone for over a month (I think) and the others came back with scratches in the stock and the bottom of the pistol grip crushed. As always YMMV, but I've been told to stay away from new Citoris by both these guys, and some gun shop employees who report more than a few problems with them.

SKB and Miroku are a couple brands to look for; both are Japanese made and quite good. Although Miroku makes the Citoris for Browning, there's plenty of older Mirokus floating around that are a fair whack cheaper than their Browning counterparts (both older Brownings and Mirokus have a good reputation). Winchester 101s seem to be a bit cheaper as well, usually, and are similar to the Browning design, but made by another Japanese firm.
 
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