Can there be such a thing as a "new, unfired No1Mk3*"?

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Hi folks,

An acquaintance of mine inherited a bunch of rifles from his deceased father. One rifle which has me slightly puzzled is what appears to be a late WW1-dated, BSA-made, brand new SMLE. I don't think there's any FTR mark on it, and it doesn't show obvious signs of re-finishing. Can such a thing exist? I mean, we see unfired No4's from time to time, but this is something different.

Thanks for any input,

Lou
 
Could be. Somehow the rifle was put aside, and never went through normal distribution channels.
 
Yes, Lou ... and it's here in Aylmer.

Unfired Vietnam-era No1Mk III******* Lithgow, unfired condition.

Contact me and have $ 9,000 in small bills or coins.

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If you've seen it then it must exist ;) not like the Myanmar Spitfires new in the crate.Ha!
Sorry to hear of your acquaintance's father's passing, but does he have any history on the rifles? I would expect that a nearly hundred year old rifle in somebody's collection, new and unfired, should have some form of provenance; how close is this "acquaintance", and is he just trying to sell you the rifles or asking your opinion on value? Does he have any interest in keeping them for himself?
I bet you at some time that rifle was privately purchased for about $10 or less -dream about that!
 
They do exist. I once had an SMLE still in the wrap. When I opened it, it turned out to be a re-wrapped 1953 dated FTR of a 1918 BSA, but it was as-new. I have also seen new, unissued Lithgows from time to time.

Not likely to find an unissued WW1 enfield though - they went through two wars and most were used somewhat.
 
I have a couple here which have never been FTR'd but they have certainly been USED.

One is a 1918 NRF which is complete and original in every way for a very-late wartime rifle, right down to the renumbered Bolt. It has been carried a lot, kicked around a lot but shot very little. It will make an honest 1-inch 2-round group out of a dead-cold barrel.

And I have a 1918 Lithgow which has been FTR'd twice, first time in 1931, second time in 1944, both times for woodwork. Everything is perfect, all numbers match, it has the original 1918 barrel and it was UNFIRED since Proof when my friend Gavin Tait bought it. That fact was the REASON that he bought it. We spent quite some time getting it repaired (woodwork again) and tuned and, when finally it went back on the range, it shot an honest half-inch at 100, 2 rounds from a dead-cold barrel. Next time, it shot 7/16. My eyes were a lot better back then, and even I coaxed 9/16 out of it. As I write this, it still has less than 200 through it since built. We finally got it shooting on October 19 in the year it was purchased. My birthday was the previous day..... and friend Gavin GAVE me the rifle: he had learned what he wanted to learn from it.

And I have an Ishapore 1948 which I am quite certain was unfired when I got it. To date, it has had exactly TWO rounds through it. This one even LOOKS new. Nice rifle, though the Indians did like to make their woodwork bulkier than anyone else.

If you are ever out this way, Lou, do drop by and we'll take them all out.

But a Great War rifle, still unfired AND never kicked around: that IS unusual!

Rifles which were in combat got beat to death and shot, rifles which stood guard duty got bashed around a bit and not shot. Something such as you speak of would have to be a reserve rifle at the back of the rack and overlooked.

I have only seen ONE which was absolutely PERFECT. Mister Woodend was a very nice man, but he wouldn't let me bring it home!

It was the Sealed Pattern.

Hope this helps.
 
Many thanks,folks, this has been much appreciated. (By my fellow happy rifle owner as well!)

Sorry to those who have enquired, it's not going to be sold here now... maby some will say "sadly"! :p

Lou
 
Yes, Lou ... and it's here in Aylmer.

Unfired Vietnam-era No1Mk III******* Lithgow, unfired condition.

Contact me and have $ 9,000 in small bills or coins.

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Wow, chofo, just... wow. Don't show this one to the veterans at the old Monastery, you'll get rolled over by one of them in their wheelchair! :D
 
LOL!! Yeah... walk into the Monastery with it!! Toss up whether you get slapped around by an old Vet or shot in the arse by the SQ!!

Seriously...If your friend ever wants to just show it off a bit, I would love to see it and take some photo's. Have them posted over at Milsurps in their uber-cool library... something that rare should be documented and shared.

Anyways... one day me and the Pou will have a coffee over at Timmy's !
 
LOL!! Yeah... walk into the Monastery with it!! Toss up whether you get slapped around by an old Vet or shot in the arse by the SQ!!

Seriously...If your friend ever wants to just show it off a bit, I would love to see it and take some photo's. Have them posted over at Milsurps in their uber-cool library... something that rare should be documented and shared.

Anyways... one day me and the Pou will have a coffee over at Timmy's !
 
Don't be surprised if one of those old vets says hey that would have been great to have in the trenches!
 
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Who knows what's kicking around in attics and forgotten little collections? It wasn't that long ago that someone came across an intact WWI Ross sniper rifle complete with the Warner-Swazey scope. What are the odds of that? I can see it as entirely possible where someone picked up an unissued No.III that was made near the end of the war, salted it away and/or forgot about it. I've heard anecdotal tales of No.4 Lee Enfields that were brand new and at wars end were sold as surplus to factory employees for $15.00. each. I was told that when the old University St. Armoury was demolished here in Toronto a whole crate of Ross rifles was found in storage. I'd love to know where they went. A guy I used to know was GIVEN a service issue .38 Smith & Wesson revolver and an Erfurt Luger by an old vet who was a neighbour and who found out that my bud was also ex military. The old guy wouldn't take anything for them, saying they'd just been locked away since 1945 when he came home. I'd bet there are lots of stories like that, both verifiable and rumour, running around.
 
I like Claven2 had a "brand new" 1916 Enfield rifle "overhauled" or FTR in 1953 when the British were cleaning out the last of the No.1 left over parts. The only "old" part on this 1916 rifle was the receiver and everything else was brand new and the rifle was never issued before being sold off as surplus.

Can there be such a thing as a "new, unfired No1Mk3*"?

Only in a military museum or a rifle presented to a high ranking officer fresh off the production line. The American General in charge of Enfield production at the Savage plant received the first production rifle off the line.

I almost forgot, if your an American and a drunken member of the American Legion you can order brand new Enfield rifles that John Wayne carried on Iwo Jima from the back of their monthly magazine. ;)
(forgive me Canada but this advertisement is real) :eek:

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I've heard there are some real treasures in the possesion of Parks Canada. I have no idea why, but they apparently have a warehouse full of amazing firearms and historical gear. Including crates of rifles, which according to the guy I was talking to, were unopened from the factory.
 
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