Can we import muzzleloaders?
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NorthCoastBigBore
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Check out my answer in your other post "first flintlock question" 
Appears the answer is yes.
Q1. I want to buy a firearm from the US and have it sent to me in Canada.
A1. Any holder of a valid Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL) may import a restricted or non-restricted firearm, depending on the limitations of their PAL. However, the US control the export of most firearms (antiques and muzzle-loaders are not controlled for export) and the US must issue an export licence to the American exporter. Prior to issuing this licence the US government requires that the Canadian importer present a document from Canada allowing this proposed transaction. To satisfy that US requirement Canadian residents may apply for an International Import Certificate (IIC).
http://www.international.gc.ca/cont...eu/other-autres/index.aspx?lang=eng&view=d#n2
Q1. I want to buy a firearm from the US and have it sent to me in Canada.
A1. Any holder of a valid Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL) may import a restricted or non-restricted firearm, depending on the limitations of their PAL. However, the US control the export of most firearms (antiques and muzzle-loaders are not controlled for export) and the US must issue an export licence to the American exporter. Prior to issuing this licence the US government requires that the Canadian importer present a document from Canada allowing this proposed transaction. To satisfy that US requirement Canadian residents may apply for an International Import Certificate (IIC).
http://www.international.gc.ca/cont...eu/other-autres/index.aspx?lang=eng&view=d#n2
eaglesnester
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YES as long as it is a flintlock, no PAL required either. Cap and ball muzzle loading rifles have same restriction as any other center fire rifle. PAL required to purchase and carry along with export documents from state department and import documents into Canada. You also have to register a cap and ball rifle.
But not for much longer
.Eaglesnester, can you link the reference to flinters only. I was under the impression all muzzles loading rifles were good to go. Thanks in advance.
If manufactured before 1898, any muzzleloader is "antique" under Canadian law.
If manufactured in 1898 or later, only a flintlock, wheel lock or matchlock muzzleloader qualifies as "antique" in Canada.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/powder-poudre-eng.htm
If manufactured in 1898 or later, only a flintlock, wheel lock or matchlock muzzleloader qualifies as "antique" in Canada.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/powder-poudre-eng.htm
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Correct! Neither an export permit from the US authorities nor any sort of import documentation from the Canadian authorities is required for a firearm which meets the "antique" definition of both countries.
(However the definitions do differ, so you have to be sure it qualifies on both sides of the line. A flintlock muzzleloader, even if manufactured after 1898, does .....
)Neither the OP or myself were asking about antique firearms. The question I am asking is: Can I import a late manufactured, cap & ball, muzzle loading rifle from the US to Canada without the import/export paper hassle? The link says yes.
Q1. I want to buy a firearm from the US and have it sent to me in Canada.
A1. Any holder of a valid Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL) may import a restricted or non-restricted firearm, depending on the limitations of their PAL. However, the US control the export of most firearms (antiques and muzzle-loaders are not controlled for export) and the US must issue an export licence to the American exporter. Prior to issuing this licence the US government requires that the Canadian importer present a document from Canada allowing this proposed transaction. To satisfy that US requirement Canadian residents may apply for an International Import Certificate (IIC).
http://www.international.gc.ca/contr...=eng&view=d#n2
Q1. I want to buy a firearm from the US and have it sent to me in Canada.
A1. Any holder of a valid Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL) may import a restricted or non-restricted firearm, depending on the limitations of their PAL. However, the US control the export of most firearms (antiques and muzzle-loaders are not controlled for export) and the US must issue an export licence to the American exporter. Prior to issuing this licence the US government requires that the Canadian importer present a document from Canada allowing this proposed transaction. To satisfy that US requirement Canadian residents may apply for an International Import Certificate (IIC).
http://www.international.gc.ca/contr...=eng&view=d#n2
OK. Where does it say no? I have a PAL, non-restricted long guns in the very near future will need not be registered in Canada. The website states muzzle loaders are not subject in export controls (US). In Canada, it is a non-restricted firearm with no import issues that I am aware of. As long as I pay any taxes/duties in Canada and show my PAL, what is the problem? What am I missing here?
It says "antiques AND muzzloaders", not "antique muzzleloaders".
So if it fits the description of a muzzleloader, ie: loads from muzzle, should not matter what the ignition is.
I guess it depends on the US definition of a muzzleloader.
So if it fits the description of a muzzleloader, ie: loads from muzzle, should not matter what the ignition is.
I guess it depends on the US definition of a muzzleloader.
I agree.
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"incorporate the frame or receiver of a firearm that is capable of accepting other barrels designed to fire conventional rimfire or centerfire fixed ammunition."
So long as the frame/receiver is not capable of accepting a barrel designed to fire rimfire or centerfire ammo, then no export restrictions?
I have imported two from the US to Canada. Both were modern, in-line, muzzle loaders. I had to register them first (that part will be gone soon) and bring them through the norder with my PAL and registration certificate. Both instances were similar as the ML's were not even inspected and I only had to pay the taxes. I had asked at both US and Canada Customs first and there were no other permits required. Anything "ML" is not restricted by US export regulations. Now, getting a company in the US to ship one here may be different as I just crossed and brought both through myself. Dave
Track Of The Wolf, Inc. ships north I'm told.
Thanks for the replies.
In the sticky at the top of this forum................
The part where post 1897 percussion long arms are classed as non restricted firearms and the part where you cannot import non res guns with out the "paper work"
Even if the registry was replaced with some more onerous piece of legislation ( right about when pigs fly IMHO) you still would need "paper work" to import a non restricted firearm.
Do your self a favor and read the sticky.
"Do your self a favor and read the sticky."
I haven't read every post in ten different sticky but I will get around to it. Thanks for a least narrowing down for me. In the meantime, I'm going to take the time and get it from source rather than from internet chatter.
I haven't read every post in ten different sticky but I will get around to it. Thanks for a least narrowing down for me. In the meantime, I'm going to take the time and get it from source rather than from internet chatter.
