Can we import muzzleloaders?

[41 Colt]

So we can import a modern percussion as long as we register it first? I figured they would need to go through the several month long export/import process I had Prophet River do when I bought a lever repeater down south.

I am bringing in a modern flintlock right now, spent just a couple days in customs and should have it today or tomorrow.

And yes, Track of the Wolf ships flinters up here.

 

[StoneHorse]

Ok, I did a little digging and came up with this:

What types of firearms does the Department of Commerce have jurisdiction over?

The Department of Commerce’s Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) has jurisdiction over shotguns with a barrel length of 18 inches or more and related components. BIS also has jurisdiction over muzzle loading rifles and handguns, air guns, replica firearms, shotgun shells and components, and most optical sighting devices for firearms.

How do I get a license from BIS?

The first step in determining whether an export license is required is knowing whether the item you are intending to export has a specific Export Control Classification Number (ECCN). The ECCN is an alpha-numeric code, e.g., 0A984, that describes a particular item or type of item, and shows the controls placed on that item.

Where do I find the list of ECCNs?

All ECCNs are listed in the Commerce Control List (CCL) which is in Supplement No. 1 to Part 774 of the Export Administration Regulations (EAR). The CCL is divided into ten broad categories. Category 0 contains ECCNs for shotguns and related items.

What is the ECCN for muzzle loading firearms?

Muzzle loading (black powder) firearms with a caliber less than 20 mm that were manufactured later than 1937 and are not reproductions of firearms manufactured earlier than 1890 are controlled under ECCN 0A018.c.

It appears; the ECCN 0A018.c does not require an export license for Canada. To confirm you can call BIS directly at 949-660-0144

I haven't read through everything at this time but I thought I would post what I have found so far. Link to the site is below.

http://www.bis.doc.gov/licensing/exportsoffirearms.htm#qeleven

 

[petew]

A friend in the US gave me a Rem 700 barrel ,50 cal , muzzle loader, marked BLACK POWDER ONLY .
I did lots of reading and research, and thought all was well.
Not so.
The package was labeled / Declared with the corect and acurate contents fully describing the 50 cal Muzzle loader black powder barrel.
US customs grabed it,seized it. We apealed and quoted lots of references from the US and Canadian departments, and the final answer was the Exporter had to get an export license, {at considerable cost} and then pay $35.00 to have it released and sent.
It is a boat anchor or a Ford Engine block now.
To make it worse the sender was recently out of the country , and when he went to board a flight to return home he was taken aside and questioned for a few hours because he is now on a Terorist watch list.

I suspect that I am also on that list now.

Pete

 

[StoneHorse]

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A friend in the US gave me a Rem 700 barrel ,50 cal , muzzle loader, marked BLACK POWDER ONLY .

Pete

Can the barrel be removed from the action and replaced with a barrel than can discharge centre fire of rim fire ammo? That may have been the reason a export licence was needed.

 

[petew]

The barrel does unscrew from the action , and some folks do change these out for smokeless barrels. That is how I came across this barrel.He removed it to change it to a barrel that will shoot smokeless. To convert it to a cartridge would be a task, but not impossible. After all you can build a gun from a piece of pipe and a rubber band and a nail if you realy want to.
Bottom line, US customs said no without an export license, and seized it.
Pete

 

[StoneHorse]

So did some checking on the definition. If it has a receiver or frame and removable barrel, its classed as a firearm, not muzzleloader.

Quote:
The ATF has previously determined that certain muzzle loading models are firearms and subject to the provisions of the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA).

All of these guns incorporate the frame or receiver of a firearm that is capable of accepting other barrels designed to fire conventional rimfire or centerfire fixed ammunition.

Therefore, these muzzle loading models do not meet the definition of “antique firearm” as that term is defined in the above-cited § 921(a)(16) and are “firearms” as defined in 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3)

Furthermore, as firearms, the models described above, as well as other similar models, regardless of installed barrel type, are subject to all provisions of the GCA.

The following is a list of weapons that load from the muzzle and remain classified as firearms, not antiques, under the purview of the GCA since they incorporate the frame or receiver of a firearm:

-Savage Model 10ML (early, 1st version).
-Mossberg 500 shotgun with muzzle loading barrel.
-Remington 870 shotgun with muzzle loading barrel.
-Mauser 98 rifle with muzzle loading barrel.
-SKS rifle with muzzle loading barrel
-RPB sM10 pistol with muzzle loading barrel.
-H&R/New England Firearm Huntsman.
-Thompson Center Encore/Contender.
-Rossi .50 muzzle loading rifle.

This list is not complete and it frequently changes; therefore, there may be other muzzle loaders also classified as firearms. As noted, any muzzleloader weapon that is built on a firearm frame or receiver falls within the definition of a firearm.

 

[StoneHorse]

I re-read your post, barrels any barrel (rifle, pistol, shotgun, black powder, whatever) requires a export permit.

 

[bp45cal]

Actually you were , in order to understand the import rules you must understad the firearms classification system.




The answer to your question is

NO

YES YOU CAN BEEN THIER AND DONE THAT
you just have to have it registerd here send or fax your certificate to the seller to ship with the muzzleloader to you here so customs can see it's in the system.out of six shipments sent to me 3 were opened and looked at by customs here in canada and delayed 4 or 5 days the others sailed on thru to me.
so there you have it.

 

[petew]

The problem is not with Canada, it is with US oficials. If it slips past US customs leaving the country all is well. If US customs gets it and the sender does not have an export permit you are out of luck, it will never get to Canada customs.
Pete