Can you disassemble pinned pistol magazines?

[mr00jimbo]

This may sound like a silly question. All the mags I have had so far have been 10 round magazines specially. I got some pinned 15 round magazines with my latest gun. I guess it has some kind of a rivet to disallow it from receiving more than 10 rounds.
So can I take this mag apart to clean it, or ?

 

[heavenIsAlie]

yes, the rivet usually just stops the follower when it is assembled, when you are taking it apart the follower can pivot/move in ways it cant or shouldnt when its assembled and it will fall out

 

[Lexthedestroyer]

Provided when you put them back together they only hold 10 rounds, you can do whatever you please with your mags.

 

[bogusiii]

Provided when you put them back together they only hold 10 rounds, you can do whatever you please with your mags.

But a mag housing without a block is prohibited (says the law), so taking the rivet out for cleaning would render the magazine illegal for the time the rivet was out. Wiggling the follower past the block would probably be OK.

 

[B]

Some people worry way too much.

 

[3strokes]

But a mag housing without a block is prohibited (says the law), so taking the rivet out for cleaning would render the magazine illegal for the time the rivet was out. Wiggling the follower past the block would probably be OK.

Only, if you're doing it on a city bus, don't let the people see you taking the magazine out of the pistol.

 

[enefgee]

If you have a rivet gun on hand when disassembling, cleaning etc your magazine, you should be fine - hard to prove any intent when you have a replacement rivet sitting in the same area as the disassembled magazine.

 

[beagles#1]

The existence of this type of thread should be a very clear indication of the following:

(1.) the fact that firearms owners even bother asking questions of this nature is evidence that we are so extremely law-abiding that we make every attempt to avoid even the smallest misstep that might put us on the wrong side of an arbitrary law (often backed by disproportionately hash criminal code penalties) which does nothing to benefit the illusive concept of "public safety,"

(2.) the gun grabbers have gotten their way for far too long and to such a ridiculous extent that we find it necessary to discuss inane topics like this at length on a regular basis,

(3.) the current firearms control system in Canada is dysfunctional to the point of lunacy and needs to be completely overhauled.

This must change!

 

[Chuckbuster]

The existence of this type of thread should be a very clear indication of the following:

(1.) the fact that firearms owners even bother asking questions of this nature is evidence that we are so extremely law-abiding that we make every attempt to avoid even the smallest misstep that might put us on the wrong side of an arbitrary law (often backed by disproportionately hash criminal code penalties) which does nothing to benefit the illusive concept of "public safety,"

(2.) the gun grabbers have gotten their way for far too long and to such a ridiculous extent that we find it necessary to discuss inane topics like this at length on a regular basis,

(3.) the current firearms control system in Canada is dysfunctional to the point of lunacy and needs to be completely overhauled.

This must change!

Very well put.

 

[enefgee]

No argument here

 

[mr00jimbo]

The existence of this type of thread should be a very clear indication of the following:

(1.) the fact that firearms owners even bother asking questions of this nature is evidence that we are so extremely law-abiding that we make every attempt to avoid even the smallest misstep that might put us on the wrong side of an arbitrary law (often backed by disproportionately hash criminal code penalties) which does nothing to benefit the illusive concept of "public safety,"

(2.) the gun grabbers have gotten their way for far too long and to such a ridiculous extent that we find it necessary to discuss inane topics like this at length on a regular basis,

(3.) the current firearms control system in Canada is dysfunctional to the point of lunacy and needs to be completely overhauled.

This must change!

While I do not disagree, the reason for me asking my question was not a legal question but more a mechinical question, to make sure everything could come apart the way it should.

 

[Striker]

it was my understanding a disassembled magazine was not considered a hi cap mag but magazine parts..

 

[beagles#1]

it was my understanding a disassembled magazine was not considered a hi cap mag but magazine parts..

There was another thread not long ago that discussed a case in which the body of a standard capacity magazine was considered a prohibited device by the powers that be. I'll see if I can find it or you can search for the thread yourself or if someone know what I am referring to, please post a link to that thread.

 

[Sambaru]

The existence of this type of thread should be a very clear indication of the following:

(1.) the fact that firearms owners even bother asking questions of this nature is evidence that we are so extremely law-abiding that we make every attempt to avoid even the smallest misstep that might put us on the wrong side of an arbitrary law (often backed by disproportionately hash criminal code penalties) which does nothing to benefit the illusive concept of "public safety,"

(2.) the gun grabbers have gotten their way for far too long and to such a ridiculous extent that we find it necessary to discuss inane topics like this at length on a regular basis,

(3.) the current firearms control system in Canada is dysfunctional to the point of lunacy and needs to be completely overhauled.

This must change!

Though I agree with all points, personally in the unlikely event I do get busted and get charged or get my babies taken away, it is not worth it so I do feel the need to make sure I don't break any gun laws (as stupid as they are). For example, as a law abiding gun owner, if I did take a rivet out of a mag, I probably would never get caught and no one would get hurt but there is still a tiny chance I could get caught. I'm not brainwashed and I'm aware all this is is a paper offence but I still don't want to risk it.

 

[beagles#1]

While I do not disagree, the reason for me asking my question was not a legal question but more a mechinical question, to make sure everything could come apart the way it should.

In that case, if it's just a rivet and you have a replacement, then I doubt it would be particularly hard to do. As for the legality, that's a whole different can of worms as you has already been discussed in earlier posts.

 

[bogusiii]

it was my understanding a disassembled magazine was not considered a hi cap mag but magazine parts..

Nope. A "greater than 5 capacity" mag housing without any guts or base plate is still prohibited. Stripping full capacity mags and storing the parts separately is a no no.

 

[joe-nwt]

I ripped the tag off a matress one time. There, I said it.

 

[New2U]

The existence of this type of thread should be a very clear indication of the following:

(1.) the fact that firearms owners even bother asking questions of this nature is evidence that we are so extremely law-abiding that we make every attempt to avoid even the smallest misstep that might put us on the wrong side of an arbitrary law (often backed by disproportionately hash criminal code penalties) which does nothing to benefit the illusive concept of "public safety,"

(2.) the gun grabbers have gotten their way for far too long and to such a ridiculous extent that we find it necessary to discuss inane topics like this at length on a regular basis,

(3.) the current firearms control system in Canada is dysfunctional to the point of lunacy and needs to be completely overhauled.

This must change!

Amen!!!

 

[Striker]

Nope. A "greater than 5 capacity" mag housing without any guts or base plate is still prohibited. Stripping full capacity mags and storing the parts separately is a no no.

This is all I can find regarding hi cap mags.
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-462/page-2.html#docCont

[h=6]Former Cartridge Magazine Control Regulations[/h]

• • 3. (1) Any cartridge magazine
    
    • (a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in
      
      • (i) a semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada,
        
      • (ii) a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun,
        
      • (iii) an automatic firearm whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger,
        
      • (iv) the firearms of the designs commonly known as the Ingram M10 and M11 pistols, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the Cobray M10 and M11 pistols, the RPB M10, M11 and SM11 pistols and the SWD M10, M11, SM10 and SM11 pistols,
        
      • (v) the firearm of the design commonly known as the Partisan Avenger Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, or
        
      • (vi) the firearm of the design commonly known as the UZI pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Micro-UZI pistol; or
    • (b) that is capable of containing more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in a semi-automatic handgun that is commonly available in Canada.
  • (2) Paragraph (1)(a) does not include any cartridge magazine that
    
    • (a) was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that
      
      • (i) is chambered for, or designed to use, rimfire cartridges,
        
      • (ii) is a rifle of the type commonly known as the “Lee Enfield” rifle, where the magazine is capable of containing not more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed, or
        
      • (iii) is commonly known as the U.S. Rifle M1 (Garand) including the Beretta M1 Garand rifle, the Breda M1 Garand rifle and the Springfield Armoury M1 Garand rifle;
    • (b) is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that
      
      • (i) is commonly known as the Charlton Rifle,
        
      • (ii) is commonly known as the Farquhar-Hill Rifle, or
        
      • (iii) is commonly known as the Huot Automatic Rifle;
    • (c) is of the “drum” type, is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm commonly known as
      
      • (i) the .303 in. Lewis Mark 1 machine-gun, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Lewis Mark 1*, Mark 2, Mark 2*, Mark 3, Mark 4, Lewis SS and .30 in. Savage-Lewis,
        
      • (ii) the .303 in. Vickers Mark 1 machine-gun, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Mark 1*, Mark 2, Mark 2*, Mark 3, Mark 4, Mark 4B, Mark 5, Mark 6, Mark 6* and Mark 7, or
        
      • (iii) the Bren Light machine-gun, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Mark 1, Mark 2, Mark 2/1, Mark 3 and Mark 4;
    • (d) is of the “metallic-strip” type, is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in conjunction with the firearm known as the Hotchkiss machine-gun, Model 1895 or Model 1897, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Hotchkiss machine-gun, Model 1900, Model 1909, Model 1914 and Model 1917, and the Hotchkiss machine-gun (Enfield), Number 2, Mark 1 and Mark 1*;
      
    • (e) is of the “saddle-drum” type (doppeltrommel or satteltrommel), is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in the automatic firearms known as the MG-13, MG-15, MG-17, MG-34, T6-200 or T6-220, or any variant or modified version of it; or
      
    • (f) is of the “belt” type consisting of a fabric or metal belt, is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for the purpose of feeding cartridges into a automatic firearm of a type that was in existence before 1945.
  • (3) Paragraph (1)(b) does not include any cartridge magazine that
    
    • (a) is of the “snail-drum” type (schneckentrommel) that was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that is a handgun known as the Parabellum-Pistol, System Borchardt-Luger, Model 1900, or “Luger”, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Model 1902, Model 1904 (Marine), Model 1904/06 (Marine), Model 1904/08 (Marine), Model 1906, Model 1908 and Model 1908 (Artillery) pistols;
      
    • (b) was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that is a semi-automatic handgun, where the magazine was manufactured before 1910;
      
    • (c) was originally designed or manufactured as an integral part of the firearm known as the Mauser Selbstladepistole C/96 (“broomhandle”), or any variant or modified version of it, including the Model 1895, Model 1896, Model 1902, Model 1905, Model 1912, Model 1915, Model 1930, Model 1931, M711 and M712; or
      
    • (d) was originally designed or manufactured for use in the semi-automatic firearm that is a handgun known as the Webley and Scott Self-Loading Pistol, Model 1912 or Model 1915.
  • (4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is not a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.
    
  • (5) For the purposes of subsection (4), altering or re-manufacturing a cartridge magazine includes
    
    • (a) the indentation of its casing by forging, casting, swaging or impressing;
      
    • (b) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a steel or aluminum casing, the insertion and attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or aluminum, as the case may be, or of a similar material, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method; or
      
    • (c) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a casing made of a material other than steel or aluminum, the attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or of a material similar to that of the magazine casing, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method or by applying a permanent adhesive substance, such as a cement or an epoxy or other glue.
      

I'm not seeing where it speaks to magazine parts. I try to keep current and thought parts were not considered a magazine.

 

[x0ra]

Nope. A "greater than 5 capacity" mag housing without any guts or base plate is still prohibited. Stripping full capacity mags and storing the parts separately is a no no.

So I go hunting with a Tavor/SU-16, drop a 5/30 pmag in the mud. If I strip it at home to clean it, I am committing an offence (possession of prohibited device) ?