I have recently tried out Cdn Service Conditions and loved it- I shouldn’t have waited so long, and being a flat top I swap out the carry handle for an Acog RCO. Washington state is only an couple of hours away and I have shot down there in the past and am trying to get down there a bit this year if schedule permits. I have both rifles on my Form 6NIA if it works out time wise for a trip south.
Can you drive stick?
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I have recently tried out Cdn Service Conditions and loved it- I shouldn’t have waited so long, and being a flat top I swap out the carry handle for an Acog RCO. Washington state is only an couple of hours away and I have shot down there in the past and am trying to get down there a bit this year if schedule permits. I have both rifles on my Form 6NIA if it works out time wise for a trip south.
redshooter
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Picked up a fresh pound of W748 yesterday, it's great stuff, meters really well and seems to work well with 55 gr FMJ. Put 9 into just a hair over 2", but the 10th shot pooched the group, 3.75". I beat my current goal of 3" with the last group shot. My known accurate 75 gr/RL 15 load managed to group at 2.885", now looking for 2", wonder how long that's going to take...
Shot off my cheap UGT Bi-pod, and my new groovy rear bag, hahaha, it's a dog toy, and it's almost perfect.
Pulled one hard!
Yes it's high, and right, but it's zeroed for 55 gr FMJ not 75 gr HPBT.
Shot off my cheap UGT Bi-pod, and my new groovy rear bag, hahaha, it's a dog toy, and it's almost perfect.
Pulled one hard!
Yes it's high, and right, but it's zeroed for 55 gr FMJ not 75 gr HPBT.
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Damn that’s a nice group, especially for a factory gun! do you use a centre hold or six o’clock? I tried a centre hold last week but went back to six o’clock today.
I’m looking at that white stuff on the ground and Mr soft west coaster here would be trying to break shots between chattering of my teeth.
I’m looking at that white stuff on the ground and Mr soft west coaster here would be trying to break shots between chattering of my teeth.
redshooter
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It's a Colt HBAR barrel so it is a good barrel. It's been pretending it's a Precision Rifle for the last year, it could consistently shoot sub MOA, but I never could crack 3/4 MOA on command so I'm leaving the LR Precision to my bolt gun for the moment.
Hahaha, that was a six o'clock hold, so it's shooting really high, it needs to come down a wee bit.
I've been shooting in the bush as well, it's a short walk in summer, now a bit of a chore in Snowshoes. As for cold, trudging through deep snow to the target and back will keep you warm.
Hahaha, that was a six o'clock hold, so it's shooting really high, it needs to come down a wee bit.
I've been shooting in the bush as well, it's a short walk in summer, now a bit of a chore in Snowshoes. As for cold, trudging through deep snow to the target and back will keep you warm.
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redshooter
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Maybe...
Well there can't be too many Bancroft members on here.
redshooter
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There's a few, not very active though.
I had some really good results with the original HBAR barrel of another upper I had, they shoot quite well. I ended up doing the full bells and whistles on this one because I wanted to, but not expecting that it would replace the shooter either.
That said here is my results from today for 10 shots with the black rifle, and it’s probably a good statement as to how close the accuracy is of a stock HBAR with good ammo, vs a semi custom with a floated barrel and other tricks. The load is a 77 grain magazine length load using RL15.
A little closer
And the set up at the firing point
That said here is my results from today for 10 shots with the black rifle, and it’s probably a good statement as to how close the accuracy is of a stock HBAR with good ammo, vs a semi custom with a floated barrel and other tricks. The load is a 77 grain magazine length load using RL15.
A little closer
And the set up at the firing point
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redshooter
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Nice shooting, 1.252" you've set the bar pretty high!
I only shoot irons.
I've only shot irons my entire time in the hobby.
I've gotten extremely good with them over the years. 3" to 4" groups with irons and a stock rifle at 100meters is extremely good! Well done.
I don't hand load at all. So I only use factory ammo. Usually bulk. Using a decent quality AR15 and the cheapest junk 5.56mm I could find I would average about 4" to 6" groups at 100 meters, 10 round groups always. Sometimes occasional fluke smaller groups but over many that was the average (4 to 6). I don't shoot 2 or 3 round groups and I don't shoot all day and take the one fluke really tight group as my potential skill indicator.
That was always prone on the ground resting on a shooting bag. No lock in devices or anything.
I HATE scopes. Every time I put one on a gun I spend more time f**king with it than I do shooting. They fog up, they lose zero, a lot of optics need batteries, they're expensive...just can't stand them. #### them lol
I'm 35 and my eyes are sharp. If they fade I'll have to concede one day I guess but until then I rock irons.
I'm in the same boat as you brother. I always hear BS on these forums about guys shooting "2 MOA with irons all day" yadda yadda. Even guys with really high end guns and after being on a lot of ranges around a lot of fellow shooters, I've never seen anyone do this consistently...or at all really lol
The limiting factor on irons is the sight radius big time, the thickness of the front post (having a thin tapered post vice a big thick one or a "ball on post" type) and having a rear mounted peep vice the buckhorn type notch and post setup midway down the barrel (leading to a short sight radius on top of the other drawbacks) Although some rifles that have a long enough radius with the buckhorn type sights can be used pretty effectively.
I have a Mint Model 72A Winchester Tube Fed bolt .22LR that can print 10 rounds into 4" patterns at 100 meters using the stock semi buckhorn sights! I just picked it up and stripped and refinished it completely.
It's my most accurate gun meter for meter (limited in range obviously due to the caliber) I'm trying to figure out a way to retrofit it with a rear receiver mounted peep sight and then file and taper the front post to precision. I'm twitching to see how much more accurately I will be able to shoot this thing in that setup!
That's great shooting man. Be proud!
Travis as always =
Yah you absolutely aced that run last year! I was impressed by how quickly u got back on target between shooting positions.
Well that brings back memories. I still have my first AR15, A Colt HB AR15A2 that I purchased back around 1985. I used this rifle to compete in Service Rifles Matches. Nowadays I prefer to shoot for accuracy using optics but I never lost my love for shooting with iron sights. I still shoot my milsurps regularly with iron sights obviously. Although by now I have the beginnings of cataracts, I can still shoot reasonably well with iron sights thankfully. Today, it was a beautiful sunny 3 deg C day and I went to the range with my AR15A2 and decided to see what I could do with it. I used cheap 55gr .223 Winchester white box ammo. After sighting in, I shot a couple of 10-shot groups for score. Group sizes were quite typical and as I expected around 3-3.5" at 100y. This ammo shoots about the same using an AR15 with optics, maybe 0.5" less. The front sight on these AR15's is about 10 MOA so it's a bit of a challenge to shoot accurately. The black aiming point is 6" so the front sight post covers the aiming point pretty well. I used a 6 o'clock hold so I could see the aiming point.
Oh, and I do drive stick as well. I had a Volkwagon Beetle when I was a young man. Here are a few pics from my shoot today:
Oh, and I do drive stick as well. I had a Volkwagon Beetle when I was a young man. Here are a few pics from my shoot today:
redshooter
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Great shooting, that front sight makes anything better a real chore. A friend has a 1903A3 Springfield with a really fine front sight, it was the first time I went five for five off a rest at 100 on a 6" gong with Iron Sights. I got a finer front sight soon after.
About $20 will get you something that will improve your precision. https://truenortharms.com/ar15_default_store_view/a2-front-sight-post-shape-upgrades.html
I made my 8" bulls 10" with a sharpie, I'm convinced it was worth the effort.
About $20 will get you something that will improve your precision. https://truenortharms.com/ar15_default_store_view/a2-front-sight-post-shape-upgrades.html
I made my 8" bulls 10" with a sharpie, I'm convinced it was worth the effort.
If I recall correctly the standard for the infantry when I joined the CAF was a 6" group at 100m standing and a 4" group at 100m from the prone, un-supported, position (elbows only). This was back in the days of the FN. Considering I had a fairly successful 26 year career in the CAF I'd say I met your challenge. ;-)
6" group standing? I gotta question that.
thatmikeguy
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I forgot to mention I also drive stick. My very first vehicle was a 77 Honda XL350. My 3rd vehicle was an 88 Chevy S10 with a 2.8L and a 5 speed stick. It was gutless but fun. It couldn't keep pace at 100km/hour in a head wind. I had to downshift to 4th.
Why? Unless the FN is a horribly inaccurate rifle, or exceptionally difficult to shoot (I have no experience with one and don't know), this seems very believable. The ability to hit a six-inch paper plate consistently, shooting off-hand, was often considered the standard of acceptable accuracy if you wanted to be considered a rifleman, back when I was a youngster. Didn't take a superhuman to do it...most mere mortals who spent time shooting were able to meet this standard. To this day, I'll bet half of my shooting, with everything from .22rimfires all the way up to .45-70 single shots, is done offhand at a 6-inch steel gong at 100 yards, standing on my back porch.
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Ah, well, I guess you don't get to shoot much... Never had any coaching?? Can't hit a whitetail in the head at 100 yards?? Start on golf balls in the grass at about 20 or 25 yards with a .22
