Can you drive stick?

[njohnson]

6” offhand at 100 isn’t unreasonable for a person who practices offhand regularly-and that’s not me by the way my offhand is pretty dreadful due in large part to not working at it. Those XTC matches down south the offhand stage is shot at 200 yards and the SR1 target has a 7” 10 ring so twice the distance and high scores by those who worked at it. Like everything it’s a perishable skill.

Years ago I shot a few XTC matches down south with another CGN member who shot silhouette which is all offhand-he did well in the offhand stage. Me , I was just happy when the target would go down after every offhand shot!

 

[redshooter]

It's been a long time but I don't recall any standard for offhand shooting, pretty sure when it came to shooting offhand you hit the Fig. 11/12 or you didn't, but it's been thirty years. I'm sure there's a few here that can tell us current CF standard. I can hit a 6" gong offhand, but I sure can't do it ten times in a row, usually more like 2 in 5. I'm going to build a lighter upper, my current Rifle Upper is just a bit too heavy for shooting offhand.

 

[njohnson]

I don’t know what is currently used for CF “quals” but Cdn Service Conditions have snaps ( 3 sec exposures ) of a figure 12/59 hand held shot standing at 100m. It has a 12” Bull and a 6” V-Bull.

 

[Retriever]

I shoot iron sights with my 1100 mag and a smoothbore slug barrel,about 6-7 inch groups at 50 yards offhand.Not a hunting gun ( just for kicks ).On the stick question,I've driven standard transmissions for over 30 years,my last one a special order 2008 F250 FX4 that I'm still shifting.

Save the Standard.

 

[redryder]

Sighting in for service rifle match tomorrow so thought I would give this a go. Unusual 90 degree crosswind opened the group up a little. This load usually groups well under 3". Hornady 55 fmjbt on top of 26 gr of CFE223. No rear bag but a front rest for my hand.

 

[redshooter]

Sighting in for service rifle match tomorrow so thought I would give this a go. Unusual 90 degree crosswind opened the group up a little. This load usually groups well under 3". Hornady 55 fmjbt on top of 26 gr of CFE223. No rear bag but a front rest for my hand.

Nice work!

Service Rifle, where?!? I'd love to spectate a match under the conditions at Petawawa at the moment. The snow on Bravo Range was about mid-thigh a few weeks back. You'd need Snowshoes to do the rundown.

 

[redshooter]

So a few guys inferred a rest was cheat'n. So I got up on Dorfman's Shooting Table with my Sling and my Elbows, just a hair over 3.5".

Dorfman's Shooting Table.

10 shots, 3.5"

Dirk Dorf

 

[njohnson]

Nice work on both accounts! The CFO came through my local range and poo pooed the backstop we had so no prone shooting until we get some upgrades done. Not sure when that will be but will have another go with elbows and sling when it’s done.

There’s a 2 day Service Rifle clinic near me in April so I may have to wait until then-the upside is that will be at 200/300/500 if I can make it. That will be prone off a magazine and with an Acog mind you....

Nice shooting.

 

[redshooter]

Nice work on both accounts! The CFO came through my local range and poo pooed the backstop we had so no prone shooting until we get some upgrades done. Not sure when that will be but will have another go with elbows and sling when it’s done.

CFO = Chief Killjoy...

That's a serious bummer, we've had a few encounters with the CFO, it's obviously a Political Appointment, he shut us down for a day because there was a sapling growing out of the top of the backstop. He said it could cause a ricochet, this is where I stand mouth agape, I appreciate his position, but in the end the projectile has already left the range. It seems that the CFO doesn't understand that redirecting the bullet takes energy, energy that would have had it go a loooong way, unless it struck something and dumped a pile of energy...

Regarding the Prone, our 200 m backstop couldn't be high enough without a baffle. Unfortunately a baffle low enough for prone is way too low for a bench. That's where Dorfman's Table comes in. I'm assuming you have a baffle, so all you should need to do is build a table in one of the lanes, assuming of course the CFO accepts it as a solution. Just make sure it's long enough, if I'm shooting off a bi-pod/rest on ours my legs hang off the end just below the knee...Dorfman's Table, if you've seen one of Tim Conway's skits you'll understand. It's just ducky for sling and elbows though.

I was experimenting with Target shapes, 12" square/diameter seems ideal at 100m, but I think it's easier to center the sights on a round target. I also think black on a white background gives the best contrast for average light conditions. Almost beat my next goal as well, 2".

One thing that was interesting is I could basically resolve the white triangle on the extra expensive black square target. I suspect that you could do a center hold with this style of target fairly well. They're a bit rich to use as a regular target though.

 

[call2arms]

CFO = Chief Killjoy...

That's a serious bummer, we've had a few encounters with the CFO, it's obviously a Political Appointment, he shut us down for a day because there was a sapling growing out of the top of the backstop. He said it could cause a ricochet, this is where I stand mouth agape, I appreciate his position, but in the end the projectile has already left the range. It seems that the CFO doesn't understand that redirecting the bullet takes energy, energy that would have had it go a loooong way, unless it struck something and dumped a pile of energy...

Regarding the Prone, our 200 m backstop couldn't be high enough without a baffle. Unfortunately a baffle low enough for prone is way too low for a bench. That's where Dorfman's Table comes in. I'm assuming you have a baffle, so all you should need to do is build a table in one of the lanes, assuming of course the CFO accepts it as a solution. Just make sure it's long enough, if I'm shooting off a bi-pod/rest on ours my legs hang off the end just below the knee...Dorfman's Table, if you've seen one of Tim Conway's skits you'll understand. It's just ducky for sling and elbows though.

I was experimenting with Target shapes, 12" square/diameter seems ideal at 100m, but I think it's easier to center the sights on a round target. I also think black on a white background gives the best contrast for average light conditions. Almost beat my next goal as well, 2".

One thing that was interesting is I could basically resolve the white triangle on the extra expensive black square target. I suspect that you could do a center hold with this style of target fairly well. They're a bit rich to use as a regular target though.

I like a 11”X17” piece of construction paper as a target for 100 m iron sights. Inexpensive. Can add a orange target sticker in the middle if desired

 

[njohnson]

CFO = Chief Killjoy

Regarding the Prone, our 200 m backstop couldn't be high enough without a baffle. Unfortunately a baffle low enough for prone is way too low for a bench. That's where Dorfman's Table comes in. I'm assuming you have a baffle, so all you should need to do is build a table in one of the lanes, assuming of course the CFO accepts it as a solution. Just make sure it's long enough, if I'm shooting off a bi-pod/rest on ours my legs hang off the end just below the knee...Dorfman's Table, if you've seen one of Tim Conway's skits you'll understand. It's just ducky for sling and elbows though.

Nice shooting again,

I know I don’t get it, our range is on a mountain side with a slight up hill, and whatever the accepted template distance is behind the 200m backstop is uninhabited unless you count cougars, bears and coyotes. We don’t have overhead baffles at this time, but that might be a required addition, the range executives are working on a solution now.

As for Tim Conway yes I was going to say we’re dating ourselves I loved that show. Best parts were the outtakes where Carol, Harvey and Tim would start to lose composure during a skit.

I guess it could be worse, my introduction to rifle shooting was as a cadet on the full bore rifle course. Being on the pacific coast we went to Heals Range in Victoria. I think the template was something like 3 miles beyond the butts, again all woods save a tiny forestry road that cut across the very rear corner of the danger area. We had to man gates and close the road with radio comms back to the butts and call a cease fire to let people through. You would have to be the unluckiest person on the planet to catch a stray IVI 7.62 having travelled 3 miles and through dense forest.

 

[Tetrapoda]

There's no way I'll have anything except iron sights on my lever actions. I can stick drive, but automatic is so much better.

 

[redryder]

I had some really good results with the original HBAR barrel of another upper I had, they shoot quite well. I ended up doing the full bells and whistles on this one because I wanted to, but not expecting that it would replace the shooter either.

That said here is my results from today for 10 shots with the black rifle, and it’s probably a good statement as to how close the accuracy is of a stock HBAR with good ammo, vs a semi custom with a floated barrel and other tricks. The load is a 77 grain magazine length load using RL15.

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A little closer

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And the set up at the firing point

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Just noticed the shooting bench. Thats worth more than anything we have on our entire range including the truck I plow it with lol

 

[Ribstaylor]

Just noticed the shooting bench. Thats worth more than anything we have on our entire range including the truck I plow it with lol

Damn, I belong to a nice range, but those range tables are 1000 times better then the ones we get (Folded portable tables).

 

[njohnson]

Just noticed the shooting bench. Thats worth more than anything we have on our entire range including the truck I plow it with lol

It’s an older well established range and I’m in a suburb of Vancouver so there’s a ton of members ( read revenue ) it’s a 10 minute drive from home.

That’s the up side, the down side is high end town houses and other encroachment of homes nearby means that range is probably history in less than 5 years. That after deliberately building away from places where the noise would bother anyone. You know how it’s goes it’s the age old story, people move next to a known shooting range then complain about the noise. The range always loses.

Sorry for the segue into negative town. There are significant upsides to more austere ranges away from the beaten path.

The front rest,rear bag and spotting scope are mine, but the tables are really nice that’s for sure.

 

[redryder]

Ya, well we got 56 members here, so just try and match that. lol Winter is best here, 5 or 6 solid shooters is all. Pretty much have the range to yourself.

 

[redshooter]

I learned something today, well two things actually. 1st shooting prone while also resting on a 5/30 mag is as good as some claim. 2nd I need to remember to bring my other 5/30's, or get a 10/30 to prevent extreme sadness, or bursts of profanity. Nothing like having to reload your mag to ruin a stellar 10 shot group...even with the flyer it would have been a Milestone if I had have managed to maintain the same point of aim.

 

[njohnson]

I learned something today, well two things actually. 1st shooting prone while also resting on a 5/30 mag is as good as some claim. 2nd I need to remember to bring my other 5/30's, or get a 10/30 to prevent extreme sadness, or bursts of profanity. Nothing like having to reload your mag to ruin a stellar 10 shot group.

Nice work! That’s an awesome string. Any idea what shots were which order, was that 2 x 5 with a mag change? Very nice.

 

[redshooter]

Nice work! That’s an awesome string. Any idea what shots were which order, was that 2 x 5 with a mag change? Very nice.

I didn't bring my spotting scope, so no clue about the order, regardless mine isn't set up like yours, I need to get one of those Tripods (?) that you have.

Actually it was a mag reload, but I doubt if it would have mattered if it was a mag change, I still would have had to break position.

 

[njohnson]

I just wondered if it was two strings with a mag change as there are two distinct groups of 4 shots almost stacked on top and then one shot away from the rest. I shoot all my slow fire stuff single feed each round, and I have to do that when I shoot the 80 grain loads as they are too long to fit in a magazine anyway.

It would have been interesting to see if the stray shots were both the first or last in a magazine of 5, or if they were totally random. I don’t think AR’s are susceptible to spring pressure in magazines but you see guys down south talk about testing individual magazines in M14/M1A type rifles.