Can you guys help me ballpark the value of this m1 carbine

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Im going to be buying this with a trade+cash deal. I just want to know how much it is actually worth. Seller claims its worth 1000$... Im sure its more like 600 but let me know what you think.


1953 M1 carbine
Trigger group: inland Slide
Winchester Bolt: IMB
Stock: RMC (ROCKOLA)
Barrel: NR unknown make

Does NOT come with the scope in the pics.


http://imgur.com/a/q63nE (sorry not my link so I couldnt figure out how to post it in forum mode)

Thanks a lot.
 
I didn't look at the pic(s), but it sounds like a mixmaster. I think you are closer to a realistic price at $600.
 
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I tend to agree with KJOHN on this one. Too many different pieces for that amount of money.

The scope is Russian. Has the receiver been drilled and tapped for a mount for that scope? I would also like to see better pictures, as the overall pix are fuzzy and a bit out of focus.

$1000 is overpriced for this one.
 
Mixmaster Bavarian Carbine with NR barrel on it?
As long as it isn't drilled and tapped or anything funky it is a $500-$800 rifle.
$500 fair buddy price and $800 full market price to stranger.
 
Thanks guys im getting it for (assuming my trade is worth what i believe it is) around 550$ so I just wanted to make sure you weren't going to come out with 300 haha
 
I think you guys may be a bit out of touch with what USGI carbine with NR barrels are fetching these days. I would place it on the high end of the above estimates...Not $1000 but maybe around $800.
 
1953 M1 Carbine???................all USGI carbines were made between 1942 and 1945. Don't know where anyone got that date from.
 
Not Bavarian with that rear sight. As mentioned, it's not '1953' either. The maker of the receiver matters, but your $600 is far more realistic. Mind you, you'd have to find an RPAL holder who wants a Safe Queen.
That barrel have an extension? Hard to tell from the picture, but it looks like there is a line just aft of the front sight. If so it's not unrestricted. Barrel don't get measured like that. Cleaning rod down the barrel to the closed action, make the rod at the muzzle and measure. Extensions are not allowed anymore.
E-Bay is an evil anti-firearm empire that funds the people who want to take your firearms away from you and a 1953 vintage manual means nothing. No armories in Canada. Just armouries. Carbines were not made by the Springfield Armory. They were rebuilt there though.
 
I think you guys may be a bit out of touch with what USGI carbine with NR barrels are fetching these days. I would place it on the high end of the above estimates...Not $1000 but maybe around $800.

Not out of touch at all. I have bought and sold a few in the past month and ya, it is TOP $800 and buddies pay $500.

Not Bavarian with that rear sight. As mentioned, it's not '1953' either. The maker of the receiver matters, but your $600 is far more realistic. Mind you, you'd have to find an RPAL holder who wants a Safe Queen.
That barrel have an extension? Hard to tell from the picture, but it looks like there is a line just aft of the front sight. If so it's not unrestricted. Barrel don't get measured like that. Cleaning rod down the barrel to the closed action, make the rod at the muzzle and measure. Extensions are not allowed anymore.
E-Bay is an evil anti-firearm empire that funds the people who want to take your firearms away from you and a 1953 vintage manual means nothing. No armories in Canada. Just armouries. Carbines were not made by the Springfield Armory. They were rebuilt there though.

It has a type 2 post war sight and type 3 front band with bayo lug. Most likely a Bavarian carbine as not all were upgraded with the v notch sight that was popular with the Germans. It is not war time correct and as such I used the likely assumption it was used in the occupation zone at some point.
 
Not Bavarian with that rear sight. As mentioned, it's not '1953' either. The maker of the receiver matters, but your $600 is far more realistic. Mind you, you'd have to find an RPAL holder who wants a Safe Queen.
That barrel have an extension? Hard to tell from the picture, but it looks like there is a line just aft of the front sight. If so it's not unrestricted. Barrel don't get measured like that. Cleaning rod down the barrel to the closed action, make the rod at the muzzle and measure. Extensions are not allowed anymore.
E-Bay is an evil anti-firearm empire that funds the people who want to take your firearms away from you and a 1953 vintage manual means nothing. No armories in Canada. Just armouries. Carbines were not made by the Springfield Armory. They were rebuilt there though.

I dont have the firearm yet and this guy isnt the best with his pics.. Im gonna ask for one of just the barrel end to make sure now.
 
I actually have been doing some research and have found that most m1 carbines were made by parts from several makers and rarely had matching parts if ever. So being mix matched is not a sign of being torn apart and refurbished. I got the impression from some of you that this made it less valuable but it seems the norm from what I have read.
 
I might have missed something, but I don't see the manufacturer of the receiver. Is it a USGI or a commercial brand (Plainfield or 1st gen Universal)?? That's where the S/N is and that's the important part if it's a USGI. It determines date-of-build (not the barrel date if there is one).

This may or may not be a German/Austrian return, these may have the last 4 digits of the S/N stamped on the bolt, and/or stock, and might have another symbol on the heal of the stock (actually a stag horn). Most of these are mixmasters, but some can have mostly matching parts. Not all of these have the notched rear sight. FN in Belgium did a major arsenal rebuild of US rifles just after the war, and this was most likely the source of at least some of the German carbines. FN did not stamp the stocks as rebuilt.

Most USGI carbines (but not all) came out of their respective wartime factories with matching parts, and parts went thru a design evolution based on combat experiences and field failures. Type II and III windage adjustable sights were on Winchester, Inland, Rock-Ola, Saginaw Gear, Std Prod, and IBM carbines towards the end of WW 2, where bayonet lugged barrel bands were post war (although some evidence indicates some might have made it to the Pacific in 1945 on M2's)

A great number were arsenal rebuilt post-WW 2, and became the "mixmasters", as original MIL-SPECs required interchangeability of parts from various makers. Stocks were stamped as such, such as AA or RIA, usually on the right side behind the grip portion.

Springfield made parts post war, right up to 1967. I have an ex-ARVN Inland with SA51 barrel and a cast SA trigger housing.

If you got this for an equivalent of $550, then you did quite well if it's a USGI receiver. Enjoy shooting it!
 
Just because military versions were stopped being produced when WWII ended does not mean they left the armories or stopped being issued.

1953 likely means it is either a mix and match of USGI parts , or a mix of USGI and commercial

Ok thanks this makes more sense to me. So it was produced during wartime and then assembled or issued in 1953.
 
Ok thanks this makes more sense to me. So it was produced during wartime and then assembled or issued in 1953.

Uh no............its like finding all the parts for a '56 Chevy 10 years later, putting them together and calling it a '66 Chevy. USGI carbines were never really referred to as to what year they were built because they were mostly built and assembled between '42 and '45 with lots going through refurbs after that. Many had a date stamped on the barrel but that would be about it.

What you really need to tell everyone is the manufacturer's name, that will be under the rear sight and the serial number range. (i.e. 329###) From that it can be determined whether the parts you mentioned are original or not. People like Larry Ruth have dedicated years of their lives researching carbines and their history and have wrote a number of books for carbine collectors to use. If you provide more information, there are many people on this board that will be happy to share that info with you.
 
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