Can you help with this Mauser??

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I have just bought this Brazilian mauser from an uncle of mine!

It is a Mod 1908 in 7X57 and is in really nice shape
it has the sight protector/muzzle cap and the Bayonet for it!
My uncle also has the test Target for the gun(still looking for it) and he thinks it said manufactured in 1909.. All the numbers i can find are matching including the bolt and the stock so no forced matches!

Deutsche waffen-und
munitionsfabrinken Berlin
Ser = B 41** n with a circle B

Can anyone give me any more info on it?


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That is a very nice rifle. The 1908 Brazilian contract Mauser's are some of the best. They are so well finished and so consistent that it would be next to impossible to produce them in quantity and still make a profit. Their chambers are virtually identical from one rifle to the next. With decent hand loads they will shoot into less than an inch. One thing different about them is that they are designed for higher pressures than the 93s or 95s. The Brazilians loaded them to velocities over 2800fps.
I use a low pressure load in my rifles that achieves 2750fps. It consists of 49.0gr of W760 or H414, take your pick over a magnum primer. The pressures are around 40,000psi. It is an extremely accurate load. I also load the bullets to within .005in of the lands. Good hunting load as well.
Rifles like this are getting harder to come by all of the time. It will only go up in value. Your pictures are grainy and I suspect a cellphone camera. It doesn't really show the condition of the rifle. The butt looks very good and the brown spots on the metal are from uncleaned grease. Clean that rifle up properly. Take it apart very carefully and don't force anything. If something doesn't want to move, put a little WD40 (very little) on it and give it time to work. Overnight or longer if necessary. The bore may also have some traces of dried crud in it as will the bolt. Be careful taking off the forward bands. They can be extremely tight and the springs glued in place by dried cosmoline. Nuf said.

The original factory sighter target is shot at 50m. It is only representative of what the rifle is capable of. With proper hand loads, it will do far better. The target will also be signed by the shooter and dated. The real problem with the targets is, they are printed on acid washed paper. Unless they have been very well sealed, they will crumble and fall apart. I don't know how to preserve them, other than to have them laminated to another piece of paper and sealed in plastic.
 
Wow! That looks like a gem! I have two of them, and like Bearhunter says, they both shoot almost the same, and chambers are nearly identical. From the bench, clay pigeons are dust every time at 200 metres. Pop cans are easy targets at 100. Recoil is practically non-existent. I sell and trade many of my rifles, but never my Brazilian and Argentine Mausers. Best hang on to that one.
 
Lever Arms in Vancouver brought in unopened crates of them. One batch, by mauser were made before WW 1, and the second batch were made by FN between WW1 and WW 2. The crates were never opened by Brazil.
 
Some of those rifles in the unopened crates were damaged. The crates had been dropped during their original shipping to Brazil and were never repaired. Quite a few of the rifles in the crates were damaged as well. They were disposed of very reasonably to several gunsmiths in Canada that turned them into fine sporting rifles. They were sold as complete barreled actions for $65 each. I still have one. The bbl had been cut back and bolt bent, before I bought it By Lever, just as a demonstrator. They sold out in a few weeks. Then after the teasers, Alan put up the New in wrap, complete with accessories and target rifles for sale. They were more than twice the cost of the bbled actions and there weren't nearly as many collectors in those days so they lasted quite a while. It wasn't at all uncommon for a customer to by 5 or more consecutively numbered crates. Most of those were the Model 1935 rifles. I don't think there were any better 98 variants built. There are others on the same par but none better. I believe, wholeheartedly, that over the next 25 years the Brazilian and some other prime South American Mausers will bring in a higher dollar than the Nazi or even earlier German Mausers that were issued to European states.
 
hitch.bd Almost all of the 30-06 rifles were beat to hell, inside and out. The best one I saw was at best "good". I saw pallets of 400/pallet, tied down with steel straps. There had to be some better ones some place but Lever Arms didn't get any.
 
I don't know very much about them, but I do know they are some of the finest Mausers ever produced.

You would be wise to hang onto that rifle and give it lots of TLC.

BTW, it sounds like you have a cool Uncle.:)
 
Can anyone give me an idea of what this rifle might be worth? i will try and get BETTER pictures as i am home now and can work on a better pic! Not that it matters as i wont be selling it but what would the going rate be for one?

Adanac00
 
I remember SIR was selling them new in the grease in 1977 for $159.95.

I had a new baby and had just bought a new Remington Model 700 243 in 1976 and was saving for some land so I wasn't buying any more guns at the time.

For comparison a Winchester Model 94 30-30 was $169.95, a Mosin Nagant with bayonet and accessories $39.99 and Remngton wingmaster 12 gauge shotgun $235.50. You could get a Winchester model 2200 pump 12 gauge for $129.99.
 
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I remember SIR was selling them new in the grease in 1977 for $159.95.

I had a new baby and had just bought a new Remington Model 700 243 in 1976 and was saving for some land so I wasn't buying any more guns at the time.

For comparison a Winchester Model 94 30-30 was $169.95, a Mosin Nagant with bayonet and accessories $39.99 and Remngton wingmaster 12 gauge shotgun $235.50. You could get a Winchester model 2200 pump 12 gauge for $129.99.
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So they weren't exactly cheap like borscht then.

You have a good memory.
 
Adanac00 said:
Can anyone give me an idea of what this rifle might be worth? i will try and get BETTER pictures as i am home now and can work on a better pic! Not that it matters as i wont be selling it but what would the going rate be for one?

Adanac00
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I think there was a guy selling a mint condition rifle (with target and bayonet) for $800 or $900 awhile ago.
 
"So they weren't exactly cheap like borscht then."

Nope

"You have a good memory. "

Nope. I saved the catalogues.

In 1972 United Army Surplus Sales in Winnipeg had Lee Enfield 303 sniper rifles with scope in the case for $95.00.

The full stock Lee Enfield was $29.87 and the sporterized model was also $29.87, the jungle carbine $49.97.

Did I buy any? No. I had just come back from a backpack trip to Europe and Africa and was broke and saving for another trip.

By the way a Mauser 98 M-43 was $29.88 and a new Sako Forester sporting rifle was $179.95.
 
Adanac00 said:
Can anyone give me any more info on it?
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Check the Sweden - Milsurp Knowledge Library (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/forumdisplay.php?f=19, for the history and a 103 picture photo montage of an all correct Brazilian Model 1908 Mauser Rifle (Mfg by Deutsche Waffen und Munitions Fabriken, Berlin [DWM])http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=78

In my opinion, these are some of the finest Mausers ever made. The 1935 Brazilian Mauserhttp://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=664 is also gorgeous.

Regards,
Badger
 
IMO, that, the M1935 Brazilian, and the M1909 Argentine are about the nicest mausers ever made. The workmanship has never been better in a military rifle.
 
BadgerDog


Thank you so much for all that INFO thats Great!!!

This is why i enjoy this site so much!
people with alot ok Knowledge and are willing to help us people who are new to the sport of shooting and Collection and wanting to learn!

Thanks
Adanac00
 
bearhunter said:
hitch.bd Almost all of the 30-06 rifles were beat to hell, inside and out. The best one I saw was at best "good". I saw pallets of 400/pallet, tied down with steel straps. There had to be some better ones some place but Lever Arms didn't get any.
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When I get a chance I'll take a good look at it. It's been a long time since I've had a look at it. It was my dad's. I recall it had 3 numbers painted on the stock like 132 or something like that. It's full wood top and bottom and has a threaded muzzle, I'm guessing for a flash supressor. I'll get more details for you when I get a chance.
regards, Hitch
 
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