Can you tell me what kind of Mauser this is?

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Hey I bought an all numbers matching Mauser K98 for $2800 including the shipping. When I got the rifle I thought it had the nazi marks on it, but this one does not?

I bought it from another CGN user, and I am not sure if I got ripped off. Can you tell me what it is by the photos, and if it was before the surrender in 1945.

The Mauser details I can tell you are its a DOU 45 K98 with a graduated sight of 2000 metres also it does not have any swastikas on it, but all the numbers match.

It is very difficult to post photos on CGN so if you have a good answer for me from the details I have provided then I would be more than happy to e-mail you some photos of the rifle.
 
It's possible that your rifle was put together post war, or completed post war and didn't get all of the acceptance stamps.

I had a similar dated rifle without the eagle over a circle with a swastika. However, there should still be "waffenampts" that signify the factory and date the rifle was finished.

Your rifle was made in Brystika, Czechoslovakia.

The Russians captured most of the late date rifles and they were either in parts form, or stripped to their component parts to be refinished and reassembled.

Finding an all matching example, that hasn't gone through a Russian FTR is IMHO a bit of a gem. Not super rare but not often encountered either.

If the rifle is VG or better, I believe your price was fair.

A lot of those late receivers ended up in Israel as well as the Soviet Union. The Israelis bought a lot of German equipment from the Czechs right after WWII ended. They did all sorts of things to those rifles, including converting them to 7.62x51.

Unmolested DOU45 rifles are sought out to round out high end collections. The one I had was also unmolested, other than it had been shot before I got to take care of it. It was one of my best shooting K98s, even it it was full of machine marks and the stock was rough.
 
https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Kar...abiner 98k remained,the surrender in May 1945.

According to this page, the k98k was manufactured up until the surrender in 1945, meaning that none were produced after that; probably due to the fact that most of the factories had been bombed or captured by that point. Also they were produced in a czechoslovakia factory, and im pretty sure they were occupied by the Russians a couple months before may of 45. So id say it was definitely manufactured before the surrender.
http://www.k98mauser.com/dou K98 Rifle infor.pdf

I also found a very interesting article on k98k production at DOU aka a czechoslovakia factory. According to it, the serial numbers range from 141 to 9714b, and Stocks, handguards, bands, triggerguards, and floorplates were all unnumbered. It also says it is a very rare rifle, about 30,000 produced and is considered a "Classic Kreigsmodell" model.

With the second article, you should be able to get a good idea of if its actually the rifle he says it is.
 
frankthegreek said:
https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Kar...abiner 98k remained,the surrender in May 1945.

According to this page, the k98k was manufactured up until the surrender in 1945, meaning that none were produced after that; probably due to the fact that most of the factories had been bombed or captured by that point. Also they were produced in a czechoslovakia factory, and im pretty sure they were occupied by the Russians a couple months before may of 45. So id say it was definitely manufactured before the surrender.
http://www.k98mauser.com/dou K98 Rifle infor.pdf

I also found a very interesting article on k98k production at DOU aka a czechoslovakia factory. According to it, the serial numbers range from 141 to 9714b, and Stocks, handguards, bands, triggerguards, and floorplates were all unnumbered. It also says it is a very rare rifle, about 30,000 produced and is considered a "Classic Kreigsmodell" model.

With the second article, you should be able to get a good idea of if its actually the rifle he says it is.
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The Czech arms factories were taken over by the Russians, mostly intact, along with warehouses full of weapons and parts. The Czechs were producing weapons, now for the Soviets a month or less after the war ended.
 
If it’s completely devoid of any German markings, that isn’t a good sign. At the very least, the top of the receiver should have the WaA e/A80 final acceptance applied. You should also see a firing proof on the left side of the barrel (German eagle w/ swastika). In addition, there will be German WaA markings on many of the smaller components. Finally, a rifle of this vintage from Brünn II (dou) should be sitting in a semi-kriegsmodell stock, meaning that it has the bolt takedown disc in the stock but no bayonet lug.

If you’re not seeing these features, it’s very likely that you were sold a post war assembled rifle. Out of curiosity, do you see any rampant lion stamps anywhere?
 
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What did the seller advertise the rifle as to you? As a German WW2 K98k? Because I’ve seen the photos of your rifle, and even though the photos aren’t the best, that is obviously not what you have. Its definitely a German made receiver and parts that were used post war in a Czech build or as a East German rework. When it comes to CGN and ####### or whatever buying an ‘authentic’ K98k is a minefield, dou 45 and dot 45 rifles come up frequently and are virtually always post war guns but are rarely advertised as such.

Ill be frank OP... if you were told this is a real ‘NAZI k98’ then you got ripped off. If the seller did not disclose to you this rifles post war origins, assuming he knew, then he scammed you. And sadly... this is not a 2800 gun. Not even close. Its another rework, and worth about as much as the rest of them. Ill be generous and say half of what you bought it for....
 
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Good information here. Some of what I believed to be the case, wasn't.

The folks that replied, like CanadianAR, know their stuff.

Still, with all "stamped" matching numbers there should be some premium on the price.

Sorry it happened to you. If it makes you feel better, I've been duped on more than a few occasions myself. Likely will be again.
 
I’ve seen some photos of it, and one of the eagles is a clear fake, it has post war commercial German proofs and a post war barrel with a marking I’d seen on other returns.

I agree on matching numbers mattering, but they are refurb numbers which I don’t count on a German gun.
 
Today, you might have paid too much for that rifle, but in a few years from now it will be well worth the price and even more.

just look at the current milsurp prices, an SKS in reasonable condition is over $600, a beat up K31 $1200, Garands are hovering around $3000 and so on
 
polaris said:
Today, you might have paid too much for that rifle, but in a few years from now it will be well worth the price and even more.

just look at the current milsurp prices, an SKS in reasonable condition is over $600, a beat up K31 $1200, Garands are hovering around $3000 and so on
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I sincerely doubt it, not many people looking for a post-war built Czech Mauser with fake stampings.
 
CanadianAR said:
I’ve seen some photos of it, and one of the eagles is a clear fake, it has post war commercial German proofs and a post war barrel with a marking I’d seen on other returns.

I agree on matching numbers mattering, but they are refurb numbers which I don’t count on a German gun.
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I'm curious who might be selling humped mauser 98k's on the EE at matching number prices? There seems to be a couple folks on the EE that seem to be red flags.
 
With the direction of gun laws, I think ever increasing prices are a pipe dream. Some of your similes aren’t accurate. It’s post war, complete refurb with some fake markings. It will never be worth what he paid sadly. He should ask for a refund or name and shame.
 
CanadianAR said:
With the direction of gun laws, I think ever increasing prices are a pipe dream. Some of your similes aren’t accurate. It’s post war, complete refurb with some fake markings. It will never be worth what he paid sadly. He should ask for a refund or name and shame.
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I absolutely agree with this.
 
I have seen far more inaccurate predictions than accurate. It's easy to find many CGN "experts" who confidently predicted that:

- the $300 Russian Capture mausers of 10 years ago would never be collectible, and for them "I'll pass".
- Carcanos will never be collectible because.....
- Swiss rifles (e.g. K31) will never be collectible because........
- buy this gun because it will double in price......

$2800 is higher end genuine wartime K98 territory, but I'll just do the safe thing and not make a prediction that it will never be worth that.
 
Andy said:
I have seen far more inaccurate predictions than accurate. It's easy to find many CGN "experts" who confidently predicted that:

- the $300 Russian Capture mausers of 10 years ago would never be collectible, and for them "I'll pass".
- Carcanos will never be collectible because.....
- Swiss rifles (e.g. K31) will never be collectible because........
- buy this gun because it will double in price......

$2800 is higher end genuine wartime K98 territory, but I'll just do the safe thing and not make a prediction that it will never be worth that.
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Andy,

Your point is well taken. Despite unfavourable legislation, the price of original milsurps continues to rise, which is fine because it demonstrates thats there’s a demand for these things. That said, this particular example has been doctored with fake stamps. That’s never a good thing and will negatively impact its value irrespective of the amount of time that passes. If I were in the OP’s shoes, I’d be messaging the seller asking for a refund. For $2800 you can buy an original undoctored example (provided that you can source one), so the funds would be better spent on something like that, which will undoubtedly always be worth more than what he currently has.

It’s a shame when this type of thing happens because it usually just off-puts new guys and shifts them away from milsurps, so I hope something can be done. Good luck to the OP. Please let us know how it ends up panning out.
 
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