Can you win with a Glock?

Canuck44 said:
IPSC certainly has more talent than IDPA does in Canada due to time in place and numbers but that has nothing to do with the sports themselves. An "A" shooter in IPSC is not going to make Master in IDPA anymore than an Expert shooter in IDPA is going to vault into Master in IPSC. Bob Vogel managed to win every pistol division in IDPA then went over and cleaned up in his first World IPSC shoot with a bone stock G17.
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the skill gap is in the US aswell, you forgot about when vogal was winning USPSA matches with his STI before he went over to IDPA so that point is moot. I would say a small group of "five gun masters" would actually get a master card in the USPSA. I personally know 2 "5 gun" guys only one Bob made it to/past Master the other was a solid A class. Spray and pray shooting will only get you so far, if you want to win you need to be accurate, contrary to the ignorant out there.

as for the STI contingency not being in Canada, it has nothing to do with Freedom Ventures, I was told by Mrs Skinner years ago that it won't be opened up to IPSC untill they get a proper classification system, her words not mine.
 
Madness said:
as for the STI contingency not being in Canada, it has nothing to do with Freedom Ventures, I was told by Mrs Skinner years ago that it won't be opened up to IPSC untill they get a proper classification system, her words not mine.
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Lol....so that won't be happening...
 
Madness said:
to win you need to be accurate, contrary to the ignorant out there.
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I thought IPSC was all about speed and gaming before I got into shooting matches on a regular basis. Not sure how that rumour got started but if you look at how it's scored accuracy is a huge factor just like speed is.
 
beltfed said:
- In 8 years playing IPSC I've replace zero mags and zero mag parts, and only springs in the gun itself as preventative measures with the glock, and have had two malfunctions with the Glock - 1) a squib (my fault, not the gun) 2) a mag blew apart on a reload because I bumped the mag tear down release button and slid the base plate at the same time on seating the mag (again no parts breakage, just shooter error).
I've only used the CZ for two seasons and so far:
- I've had 4 CZ mags fail during matches blowing stages (now use Tanfoglio mags)
- I've broken two slide stops (all in practice luckily)
I have heard similar to above experiences so much so that I think it is safe to say the Glock is likely to remain more reliable through it's life with less parts usage than the CZ or Tanfoglio.
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In terms of reliability the GLOCK takes the CZ hands down. CZs are finicky about ammunition, especially before you replace the factory 15# recoil spring. I've had two slide stops break on me as well, but mine were during matches. In fact, both were in the exact same area of the same range years apart from each other. CZ mags also have a very limited life expectancy as the flimsy feed lips spread quickly. I think tanfo mags which fit CZs are a bit more rugged. But GLOCK mags definitely are much better in that regard.
 
Contondant said:
In terms of reliability the GLOCK takes the CZ hands down. CZs are finicky about ammunition, especially before you replace the factory 15# recoil spring. I've had two slide stops break on me as well, but mine were during matches. In fact, both were in the exact same area of the same range years apart from each other. CZ mags also have a very limited life expectancy as the flimsy feed lips spread quickly. I think tanfo mags which fit CZs are a bit more rugged. But GLOCK mags definitely are much better in that regard.
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It is kind of odd how the CZ and tanfoglio design are so similiar and yet so different. I have never (knock on wood), in the perhaps 200,000rds +- ammunition put through my Limited Custom, >38 super, or my stock 2's (3 of em')...broke a slide stop. IN fact, the only part I ever broke was a rear sight on my old stock2,...perhaps that gun had 70,000rds thru it at the time. +1 for the tanfo small frame 9mm mags,...I had one break (not including the short lived laser cut units), due to using it in a shadow (the top rear of the mag lips split where it contacted the sear cage). Aside from replacing extractors and extractor springs as preventative maintenance, that is it.
 
maurice said:
It is kind of odd how the CZ and tanfoglio design are so similiar and yet so different. I have never (knock on wood), in the perhaps 200,000rds +- ammunition put through my Limited Custom, >38 super, or my stock 2's (3 of em')...broke a slide stop. IN fact, the only part I ever broke was a rear sight on my old stock2,...perhaps that gun had 70,000rds thru it at the time. +1 for the tanfo small frame 9mm mags,...I had one break (not including the short lived laser cut units), due to using it in a shadow (the top rear of the mag lips split where it contacted the sear cage). Aside from replacing extractors and extractor springs as preventative maintenance, that is it.
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Not to knock the CZ as it's awesome but when I have my Tanfoglio Stock III apart next to a CZ, the quality and attention to detail is much better in the Stock.

For the extra $200 I think you get more than $200 in value.
 
Still running my original 8 cz mags 6 years later, never had the lips open up or the plastic bottoms break. They are dropped on the pavement weekly. I have no idea what you people are doing to to have the problems with your mags? I have 40,000 rounds thru two guns, 1 slide stop broke, one with wear so I replaced, 2 extractors worn out. I guess I got a couple of good ones.
 
Maurice I don't know much about tango innards but the cz has an obvious design flaw in that all the rearward momentum of the recoil lands squarely on the slide stop and then all the forward slide momentum from the recoil spring lands squarely against the other side of the slide stop. It's no wonder they break. In fact I'm surprised they don't break more often. Is the tango any different in "disconnecting the locking lugs" design?
 
And cbabes is right. It's only normal that by dropping partially full mags on concrete the rounds will momentum themselves against the mag spring and them come slamming back to the top against the feedlots. I know I'm not the first person to have to replace cz mags on a regular basis.
 
cbabes said:
Yup. :) Even happens with 1911s. lol.

Do you shoot IPSC and drop mags with ammo? If you are dropping empty mags it's a big difference.
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If they are fitted correctly the barrel stops against the frame during link-down, not the slide stop. Same with the CZ; the pin isn't designed to take the full brunt of the recoil pulse.
 
cbabes said:
Yup. :) Even happens with 1911s. lol.

Do you shoot IPSC and drop mags with ammo? If you are dropping empty mags it's a big difference.
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yes I shoot ipsc and drop the mags. I just went down and measured all of my mags lip openings. .360"-.365". I tried to see if I could actually close them up by pounding them down against my wooden work bench, nope couldn't do it.
 
relliott said:
If they are fitted correctly the barrel stops against the frame during link-down, not the slide stop. Same with the CZ; the pin isn't designed to take the full brunt of the recoil pulse.
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Thanks Bob. The slide stopping up against the slide stop lever made no sense at all. I suspect frame harmonics plays apart when the sliode stop eventually breaks.. I had an early pre-B 85 mCombat where the slide stop broke but it was the earlier thinner design. Gunner reamed the hole out and fitted the newer version for me. None of my other CZ's have experienced broken slide stops but then neither of them have had the rounds through them near as much as the older pre-B model. I have never heard of a 75B slide stop breaking. only the ambi versions.

Take Care

Bob
 
relliott said:
If they are fitted correctly the barrel stops against the frame during link-down, not the slide stop. Same with the CZ; the pin isn't designed to take the full brunt of the recoil pulse.
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But what stops the entire slide/barrel from flying off the front of the frame when the recoil spring pushes them forward. The slie stop takes all that.
 
Ok, but the energy transferred to the pin as the slide goes into battery on a live round isn't anything like the energy being transferred to the frame during link-down. Not even close. If you look at high speed video (h ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0VjdI_S_HM) this can be clearly observed. It's a dramatic difference. Again, the 1911, CZ, Tanfo (Browning derived) designs transmit link-down energy into the frame, not the weaker slide stop pin. This is one of the several reasons I always caution folks to avoid dropping the slide on an empty chamber.
The normal cycling action of a gun in recoil is well within its design parameters...generally. If someone has a gun that is routinely snapping a lot of pins I would say something ain't quite right in the fit.

Having said that; cast parts are not great for dealing with impact energy over time. Tanfo slide stops are cast and brittle. I still have most of a box of hardened tool steel pins here that I used to make new slide stop pins for my Tanfos from...when I still had Tanfos. All that had to be done was grind a detent in them and they were good to go. They won't lock the slide open of course, but I don't want my race guns locking the slide open anyway so that's moot. One of those pins would probably last ten lifetimes.
 
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