Canada Ammo deal on 7.62x54r

EL34/6L6 said:
I usually get mine at WSS for $225 for 880, but not sure how long that price will last. Always ends up being closer to $250 anyways after PST & GST :(
So, $200 for 1000 rounds w/ free shipping was a no brainer.
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I checked WSS website last week and it was $239 + tax now :(
 
gewehr76 said:
This is Machine gun ammo. Good for plinking only. Some people claim on this forum that they get the most accurate groups from it, I just have not able to. Here is why.

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I read that document on my crate but it didn't mean much to me. I'm just curious as to the difference between this ammo and the 1961 batch of Chinese 54r I picked up from TradEx? Would they run machine gun ammo off of a different line? Use different primers or propellant to save cost? I can't understand why they would have a significant difference from a manufacturing perspective.

I'm new to much of this hobby and rifle ammo is all new to me.
 
Well for starters its 2011 production so definitely different components than 1961 batch.
When ammo is built for machine gun use in the first place as indicated, then it means accuracy is not important only volume does. As machine guns shoot patterns not groups.
Therefore published chart and deviation in velocity and difference in spread for specific machine gun and accuracy at certain distance.
If you shoot same ammo out of the rifle, then you can imagine the accuracy of it. For rifle to be accurate you need accurately made ammo that has same bullet weight and charge in every cartridge. This ammo is good for plinking and price reflects that.
Anyway each crate of ammo was shooting differently than other crate in my experience, no matter where it was made or by whom.
Nature of the beast I guess with surpluss ammo.
MuthaFunk said:
I read that document on my crate but it didn't mean much to me. I'm just curious as to the difference between this ammo and the 1961 batch of Chinese 54r I picked up from TradEx? Would they run machine gun ammo off of a different line? Use different primers or propellant to save cost? I can't understand why they would have a significant difference from a manufacturing perspective.

I'm new to much of this hobby and rifle ammo is all new to me.
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gewehr76 said:
Well for starters its 2011 production so definitely different components than 1961 batch.
When ammo is built for machine gun use in the first place as indicated, then it means accuracy is not important only volume does. As machine guns shoot patterns not groups.
Therefore published chart and deviation in velocity and difference in spread for specific machine gun and accuracy at certain distance.
If you shoot same ammo out of the rifle, then you can imagine the accuracy of it. For rifle to be accurate you need accurately made ammo that has same bullet weight and charge in every cartridge. This ammo is good for plinking and price reflects that.
Anyway each crate of ammo was shooting differently than other crate in my experience, no matter where it was made or by whom.
Nature of the beast I guess with surpluss ammo.
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Thanks. I guess it would make sense that I had some issues with this ammo in my SVT if the tolerances between shots are large enough to trip the gas system on some shots and not on others.

I'm still surprised that in 2011 there would be any benefit to making lower quality ammo for machine guns. It can't be a cost savings to have poor measurement of propellant per round. Manufacturing in general has historically gotten better quality with higher numbers via technology.
 
So is this Norinco stuff really surplus then (yet)? Or is it just new production?
What about primers on these? Soft commercial or hard surplus?
 
As for it being MG ammo ,it shot MOA to no worse than 2" out of several 91/30's I own at 100 yards.First case was NC so I ordered another..........Harold
 
EL34/6L6 said:
So is this Norinco stuff really surplus then (yet)? Or is it just new production?
What about primers on these? Soft commercial or hard surplus?
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Hard primers, it is new military contract production as far as I can tell.

It's fine ammo, it's just not as consistent / precise as the 1960s stuff.

EL34/6L6 said:
Plinking only? Good, cause I don't aspire to be a WWII sniper at the gravel pits!
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I do :(
 
bp2626 said:
Hard primers, it is new military contract production as far as I can tell.

It's fine ammo, it's just not as consistent / precise as the 1960s stuff.



I do :(
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Is there anywhere we could find the same kind of ballistic data on the 60's Chinese stuff so we could compare? I only ask because my case of 60's 54r didn't come with any documentation at all. I appreciated the one they put in my new stuff. So much I took a pic of it too. :)

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EL34/6L6 said:
So is this Norinco stuff really surplus then (yet)?
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Yes, there is no calibre info on the cartridge just the year and arsenal. No calibre info = manufactured for military use. If it's then sold commercially it's considered surplus. Age doesn't make the ammo surplus, it's original intended user dictates that.
 
I've run a couple hundred rounds of the new production Norinco through my svt40, it seems to like it just fine. I have not tested it for accuracy for the most part just some fun plinking out in the bush and at the range out to 100 yards, goes bang in my one svt. Treat it as corrosive, as most of it seems to be.
 
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