Canada ammo reloading 223?

K-Roc

K-Roc

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I heard a rumor that Canada ammo will be selling reloads of 223 soonish? True? Would be nice to have some cheap 223 on the market. Cheers.
 
I normally avoid buying reloads but the x39 has me interested. Will it be lead core? looking for something indoor range safe.
 
K-Roc said:
I heard a rumor that Canada ammo will be selling reloads of 223 soonish? True? Would be nice to have some cheap 223 on the market. Cheers.
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I think you might want to lower your expectations. If you look at the current offering for reloaded ammos, which mostly consist of 124grn FMJ 9mm, you can see that it's roughly the same price as new production. Canam's 1000 bulk ammos is 280$ while another sponsor currently has a sale of blazer brass (also 124grn FMJ) at 260$/1000. Another has Rem UMC at 270$/1000. Other reloaders don't have much better prices than canam, so it's not canam inflating its price.

When I reload my own, I can make 9mm at about 55% of the cost of new ammos. For 223, the component cost goes up to 80% if I remember correctly (excel spreadsheet is at home). So the margins are better with 9mm. Making 223 is also more work than making straight wall.

So anyway, I wouldn't expect the prices on 223 to come crashing down because canam start selling reloads. Another reloader sells 223 for 430$/1000 (that's roughly the price I expect canam will also sell their product), while new production can be around 480$/1000. The savings of 5¢/round do add up, but it's not really a game changer. The benefits will mostly be to keep price increases in check and insure more availability.

As for x39, I'm not really interested in that calibre because I don't shoot it, but I know of at least one commercial reloader who's done it and couldn't even come close to the price of surplus. Maybe canam can overcome whatever problem the other guy had and get lower pricing, I don't know. But in any case, I'm not sure that it's possible to make x39 cheaper than corrosive surplus, even with the best possible volume pricing on component. We'll see.
 
VinnyQC said:
I think you might want to lower your expectations. If you look at the current offering for reloaded ammos, which mostly consist of 124grn FMJ 9mm, you can see that it's roughly the same price as new production. Canam's 1000 bulk ammos is 280$ while another sponsor currently has a sale of blazer brass (also 124grn FMJ) at 260$/1000. Another has Rem UMC at 270$/1000. Other reloaders don't have much better prices than canam, so it's not canam inflating its price.

When I reload my own, I can make 9mm at about 55% of the cost of new ammos. For 223, the component cost goes up to 80% if I remember correctly (excel spreadsheet is at home). So the margins are better with 9mm. Making 223 is also more work than making straight wall.

So anyway, I wouldn't expect the prices on 223 to come crashing down because canam start selling reloads. Another reloader sells 223 for 430$/1000 (that's roughly the price I expect canam will also sell their product), while new production can be around 480$/1000. The savings of 5¢/round do add up, but it's not really a game changer. The benefits will mostly be to keep price increases in check and insure more availability.

As for x39, I'm not really interested in that calibre because I don't shoot it, but I know of at least one commercial reloader who's done it and couldn't even come close to the price of surplus. Maybe canam can overcome whatever problem the other guy had and get lower pricing, I don't know. But in any case, I'm not sure that it's possible to make x39 cheaper than corrosive surplus, even with the best possible volume pricing on component. We'll see.
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We expect our pricing to be between that of corrosive and new NC
 
VinnyQC said:
I think you might want to lower your expectations. If you look at the current offering for reloaded ammos, which mostly consist of 124grn FMJ 9mm, you can see that it's roughly the same price as new production. Canam's 1000 bulk ammos is 280$ while another sponsor currently has a sale of blazer brass (also 124grn FMJ) at 260$/1000. Another has Rem UMC at 270$/1000. Other reloaders don't have much better prices than canam, so it's not canam inflating its price.

When I reload my own, I can make 9mm at about 55% of the cost of new ammos. For 223, the component cost goes up to 80% if I remember correctly (excel spreadsheet is at home). So the margins are better with 9mm. Making 223 is also more work than making straight wall.

So anyway, I wouldn't expect the prices on 223 to come crashing down because canam start selling reloads. Another reloader sells 223 for 430$/1000 (that's roughly the price I expect canam will also sell their product), while new production can be around 480$/1000. The savings of 5¢/round do add up, but it's not really a game changer. The benefits will mostly be to keep price increases in check and insure more availability.

As for x39, I'm not really interested in that calibre because I don't shoot it, but I know of at least one commercial reloader who's done it and couldn't even come close to the price of surplus. Maybe canam can overcome whatever problem the other guy had and get lower pricing, I don't know. But in any case, I'm not sure that it's possible to make x39 cheaper than corrosive surplus, even with the best possible volume pricing on component. We'll see.
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You might have a point but it's nice to have options and even 10% cheaper is nice, not a game changer I guess but nice... reloading sounds interesting but to be honest I doubt its for me.

X39 non-corrosive reloads COULD be a game changer IMO. I hate shooting corrosive.
 
K-Roc said:
You might have a point but it's nice to have options and even 10% cheaper is nice, not a game changer I guess but nice... reloading sounds interesting but to be honest I doubt its for me.

X39 non-corrosive reloads COULD be a game changer IMO. I hate shooting corrosive.
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Well, to be fair, even if the price isn't the best around, more options is better for us consumers, no matter what. I'm 100% in favor of new reloaded calibres, and more commercial reloaders of the same calibres. Plus, reloading those calibres is probably what brought canam to selling OEM powders, so it's a good deal for us reloaders too.

The more offering there is, the better for us.
 
VinnyQC said:
I think you might want to lower your expectations. If you look at the current offering for reloaded ammos, which mostly consist of 124grn FMJ 9mm, you can see that it's roughly the same price as new production. Canam's 1000 bulk ammos is 280$ while another sponsor currently has a sale of blazer brass (also 124grn FMJ) at 260$/1000. Another has Rem UMC at 270$/1000. Other reloaders don't have much better prices than canam, so it's not canam inflating its price.

When I reload my own, I can make 9mm at about 55% of the cost of new ammos. For 223, the component cost goes up to 80% if I remember correctly (excel spreadsheet is at home). So the margins are better with 9mm. Making 223 is also more work than making straight wall.

So anyway, I wouldn't expect the prices on 223 to come crashing down because canam start selling reloads. Another reloader sells 223 for 430$/1000 (that's roughly the price I expect canam will also sell their product), while new production can be around 480$/1000. The savings of 5¢/round do add up, but it's not really a game changer. The benefits will mostly be to keep price increases in check and insure more availability.
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I'm currently considering reloading .223 as my stash of Norc is running low. Your estimate of component cost of 80% seems high. I would think more like 60-70% cost of current bulk ammo at 43 to 48 cents each. Here is my breakdown.

Primer- 4 cents (40 per 1000 can be cheaper)
Powder- 13 cents ($35 H335 about 25gr per rd)
Bullet- 12 cents (119 per 1000 Budget shooter)
Total- 29 cents per round

.29 vs .43 = 67% cost of bulk commercial ammo
.29 vs .40 = 72.5%

I'm still completely undecided on whether to reload or not, I was thinking of starting a thread. I have a progressive press, but do not have the trim/case prep set up for necked. Which may not make it worth while.

I was also waiting on canada ammo. I noticed they stated on here a few months ago that they might be selling at 300/1000. In the high 30 cent range makes reloading not as appealing and in low 30's makes it not worth while. However if still in the 40's it makes reloading worth while. Save $100-200 per thousand rounds.

This is all my calculations though since I haven't actually reloaded 223 yet. Maybe I'm missing case lube or something.
 
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