Canada Ammo's 8mm Russian Capture Surplus?

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Hey Guys;

Wondering if anyone has tried this stuff? How does it shoot in comparison to other ammo? Does it print close to your hunting ammo, Sellier & Bellot maybe? Anyone in the Ottawa area have some? I'd love to try a box before buying a case...

I must say it, it sure looks good for Russian capture ammo produced in Germany in 1937/38 with new non-corrosive primers.

https://www.canadaammo.com/product/...gr-fmj-brass-case-box-of-20-rounds-variation/

Cheers
Jay
 
gewehr76 said:
Its a new made ammo in Russia. I think they started rumor about surplus in order to avoid sanctions?
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This video is in russian, but the guy tells the story about captured ammo and that they use berdan KV762 primer in remanufactured ammo.
https://youtu.be/APjs_8mL2CU?t=450

This is TechKrim page for ammo.
http://techcrim.ru/?page_id=11925

BTW, technical dispersion of ammo is 50 mm at 100m (~2MOA). The same guy did a test shooting RC k98 and got 91mm at 100m, which is roughly 4MOA.
 
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BlackVoid said:
This video is in russian, but the guy tells the story about captured ammo and that they use berdan KV762 primer in remanufactured ammo.
https://youtu.be/APjs_8mL2CU?t=450

This is TechKrim page for ammo.
http://techcrim.ru/?page_id=11925

BTW, technical dispersion of ammo is 50 mm at 100m (~2MOA). The same guy did a test shooting RC k98 and got 91mm at 100m, which is roughly 4MOA.
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BlackVoid said:
This video is in russian, but the guy tells the story about captured ammo and that they use berdan KV762 primer in remanufactured ammo.
https://youtu.be/APjs_8mL2CU?t=450

Well this guy in the video is just a consumer and he is just reiterating that same rumor that the ammo is made with surplus components. Then he shows package which is not what we have on our market. This BS about surplus components came about for ammo made for use on Russian civilian market, which do not permit sale of surplus ammo.

This is TechKrim page for ammo.
http://techcrim.ru/?page_id=11925

Again I'm not sure how well versed you are in Russian, but there is nowhere on this site mention of surplus components use. All it says for 8x57 led core FMJ with berdan primed brass. And that is what Canada Ammo sells.
This company makes 8x57 to same specs as German surplus ammo. In order to appeal to buyers since sale of surplus ammo is prohibited in Russia ,they called it german surplus which is BS. Its just marketing ploy.
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Flattens primers, hard extractions and splits cases in my K98. Pretty common complaint with this ammo. My M48 digests it slightly better, don't have to hammer the bolt handle to extract cases on it.
 
I will have to disagree. It IS made with German ww2 components, those components being the casings, projectiles and powder.
Where did they get Nz.Gew.Bl.P.(2.2.0,45), if it's new manufacture? The bullets are a perfect replica, and traces of green paint can be seen around some of the primer pockets (original ww2 197.5 grain rounds were identified by green annulus sealant)

But, yes, this stuff is not very good. Hard extractions and peirced primers for me too.
 
like gub said pull the ammo apart and reload to safer specs. the only way to go, the ammo looks very nice and clean shame it is berden primed.
 
I've played around with it for a bit, posted on the several threads started on this subject. It isn't that this stuff is too hot, as it chronographs at 2500fps ish, it's just poorly processed brass, that might have been annealed too much causing it to flow and cause difficult extraction. The primers are also too soft. I've reloaded 42 grains of powder in s&b brass with cci 200 primers and got 2500fps. These old cases have a bit more volume. Worked great, and extracted easily.
You can see that some of casings on this Russian capture stuff have a couple of little dents here and there and the finish is a bit rough. Hence why I think it's not virgin brass.
Another thing to point out is you can see that the primers were once staked and now they don't retain the primers.
Germans only reloaded spent casings into blanks, and probably melted down the brass to form new casings.
As far as the brass for mg, and steel for rifle, that wasn't always the case(yay a pun) as I've seen boxes of steel case s.s. ammo marked "fur mg". But naturally the lacquer could gun up mg chambers, so that was a problem. That might be why they went with a phosphate finish late war.
 
I bought 240rds ti fire my mausers more....I fired 7 rds and had trouble cycling the bolt to expand each casing. I would never buy it again and I thank my lucky stars I didn't buy the family pack deal of 1250rds last year.

The ammo recoils inconsistently, the bolt on a k98 and yugo k98 both are hard to open after...I dont feel comfortable using it too often and accuracy was minute of mosin....
 
These are the cases from 8mm that Canam sells.
No stamps on the rim. It looks like newly manufactured brass with new berdan primers. I call it BS on surplus components.
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Its newly manufactured ammo, period
 
inthehizzy said:
I need that porcelain tumbler in my life!

What’s with the etching on the side of the brass?
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I think from what I remember it is remanufactured surplus... ammo broken down, brass head stamp ground off and new primer applied and reloaded with components that were pulled apart. The etching on the side of the brass was to conform to the proposed UN marking scheme which for a while seemed like it would be implemented by the Rocket Scientists of Liberalism.
 
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