Canada In The Rough

When was the last time you shot an animal on top of a mountain in the rockies in late afternoon?

Davey... All I am saying is that I would not leave the meat to be scavanged. Short of being injured, if I harvest an animal I work away till I am done. The thought of letting an animal that I shot be scavanged just doesn't sit right with me.

Skinned the animals head for mounting. The antlers were left there, probably because it is illegal to pack out the horns before the meat. And they knew the antlers would be fine, but the skin would probably be damaged.

Pharaoh2... You said it right. They shot that caribou with little time left in the day, so they caped out the skin for the trophy, the most valuable part for them, and left everything else till the morning. Caping would be the most time consuming part... My guess that the host of the show couldn't care a less what happened to the meat, he wanted the footage of the hunt and the trophy. Not that I have a problem with trophy hunting, fill yer boots... BUT, the meat should still be utilized IMHO.


Wow, I can' t believe this is so controversial. Leaving an animal out overnight is common and valid enough. It's done for several reasons, including, but not limited to:

1) Skinning, quartering and packing an animal out at night, by headlamp or flashlight isn't as effecient as doing it in the daytime

2) Greater risk of injury to hunters stumbling under a heavy load in the dark

3) Greater risk of cutting yourself while butchering in the dark

4) After a long day of hunting, you are probably tired and that adds to the risk

5) Grizzlies and other predators have been known to follow hunters laden down with meat. Do you want to deal wiht that during the daytime, or at night, when you really can't see what's going on?

All well said and valid points Gatehouse.

Cheers
Jay
 
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I missed the show... on the range early this morning. But I have met Thomas and shot with him... he was excellent with regard to gun handling and safety.
I count him only as an acquaintance but have talked with him about his vision for the show and shooting sports in Canada. I would be remiss if I did not show him the courtesy of my support.
I am gonna make a call and try to get a copy of the show to see for myself.
I sure hope you guys are just making a mountain out of a molehill, as is usual from many here. Thomas and the Canada in the Rough guys are under fire daily from the left of center media and the antis... he certainly does not deserve to have Canadian Hunters hacking away at him too!:mad:
 
I watched the show and thoroughly enjoyed it, as I do all of the Canada in the Rough shows. I like how Thomas Pigeon presents it as well. I'm sure that he knows a thing or two about firearm safety. So what if everything isn't just so so and if the film hasn't been edited just so everything is presented absolutely perfectly. I missed seeing the cookie with the recipes at the end though.

BTW, what is wrong with leaving a kill on a mountain top? I have done it on several occasions but I have never packed out at nite in grizz or cat country, nor will I ever.

Thomas and the Canada in the Rough guys are under fire daily from the left of center media and the antis... he certainly does not deserve to have Canadian Hunters hacking away at him too!

I totally agree with the above comment.
 
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Thomas and the Canada in the Rough guys are under fire daily from the left of center media and the antis... he certainly does not deserve to have Canadian Hunters hacking away at him too!:mad:


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I really appreciate what the Canada in the Rough team is trying to achieve. The show is one that I try hard to find time to watch which is unusual as I only spend 2 or 3 hours a week watching the tube. I love the fact they are working hard to place a hunting show on main-stream television here in Canada.

With that said however they MUST realize when they present the show to the world they represent all Canadian hunters. Safety, particularly gun handling, cannot be overlooked. Climbing into tree stands with bows and quivers strung on their shoulders or shooting at sky-lined animals are also practices which must be avoided yet both have been shown on different episodes. The longer the show goes on the better the safety aspects have become but every now and then a goof like today's appears. None of us are perfect but when making a documentary the opportunity to at least edit out the questionable bits exists. I also realize that sometimes camera angles make things appear different than they really are. Once again I suggest that editing is undertaken with a fairly brutal hand to avoid showing what may appear to be unsafe practises.

The uproar over leaving an animal on a mountain overnight is from what I am seeing a difference in "local" customs between Eastern and Western Canada. Few Easterners - and some Western hunters - comprehend what hunting in remote mountains is like. A lot big game is taken late in the day where field dressing an animal and getting your ass off the mountain before dark are the main concerns. Riding a horse down a mountain trail in the dark is not just an inconvenience but rather it could result in a tumble that kills both horse and rider. Camping next to a fresh kill in Griz country is also a risk I, and most other BC hunters I know, refuse to take. Yes occasionally meat gets lost to predators but in truth that is rare at least in the northern part of the province.
 
Well said Boo... your right television is only two dimensional... Camera angles can be decieving... and people can get excited over nothing!
I will reserve judgement until I review the show.
 
Personally I enjoy and support the show. Thomas travels all across Canada showing the various regions and game available as well as promoting local guides and hospitality.
AFAIK it is the only hunting show on broadcast TV in our country, so ya, I am going to support it.
 
Didn't see it, (actually never seen the show) but leaving out an animal overnight and returning in the morning isn't uncommon.


Agree; if the critter is properly field dressed and lef to cool over night, assuming the temp is cool, what's the big deal?


FWIW, Canada in the Rough doesn't do much for me. I have yet to see an epsiode that was very good. BUT, I do appreciate the fact they are trying with a Made-in-Canada hunting show.
 
I taped the show this morning, but haven't watched it yet, so I'll watch for the muzzle direction when I do watch.

I enjoy CITR much more that the Buckmasters type of shows that take place on private ranches over feed plots. I can't relate to that at all. At least CITR gets out into the real world.


Did he really say this? If so, I'm not going to enjoy his show nearly as much.
I read on here that he was also saying black and green rifles should be banned because they have nothing to do with hunting!!
What a fu$k$ng RETARD !
 
x2(?) on the muzzle control

After he drops the bull caribou (I mean really dropped him like a ton o' bricks), he racked the action and pointed the rifle at the guide. What I could not see is whether he had a 2nd round chambered, not that he should be handling it more safely. OTOH, who would shoot single shot with a bolt action? From what I can recall, the footage was seamless, meaning I don't think that there was a portion cut out where he unloaded the rifle and checked for sure.

Anyhow, I will take what I can get. The show has actually exposed hunting to a wider audience. My kids love to watch it with me. (the whole "not suitable for younger audiences" is a crock of ####)
 
x2(?) on the muzzle control

After he drops the bull caribou (I mean really dropped him like a ton o' bricks), he racked the action and pointed the rifle at the guide. What I could not see is whether he had a 2nd round chambered, not that he should be handling it more safely. OTOH, who would shoot single shot with a bolt action? From what I can recall, the footage was seamless, meaning I don't think that there was a portion cut out where he unloaded the rifle and checked for sure.

Anyhow, I will take what I can get. The show has actually exposed hunting to a wider audience. My kids love to watch it with me. (the whole "not suitable for younger audiences" is a crock of s**t)


I do recall that they spotted the caribou within shooting distance from the horses, the guide was telling him "shoot that bull, he's the one". I really doubt he put more than one shell in the chamber from the time he took the rifle from the horse, loaded it( providing it WAS unloaded??) and shot the bull. So the gun could have very well been empty. While he was carrying the rifle towards the guide his finger was no where near the trigger as he was carrying it with his hand under the bottom metal IIRC. Camera angle could definitely be a contributing factor.

I don't classify it as the worst handling of firearms I have ever seen but since I don't like the host much I'm a little biased toward my opinion of him.

I will continue to watch the show, primarily because I think Canada needs more hunting shows, and our support shows what we want. If we have to support one dweeb in order to possibly get more hunting shows on the air then I guess thats what we have to do. If we don't support him and the show flopps then the networks will just say," tried it, didn't work, never again"


Now for the reason the cape was taken off, if you don't take it off reletivley soon then the hair could possibly slip and the cape would be ruined, Caribou hair is a fantastic insulator and the body heat could very well remain long enough for this to happen.

In my opinion there is no reason to freak out about the handling of the animal. Plus it was in October, although they are required to take the meat out of the bush, the meat that time of year is basically inedible, caribou when they rut drink the cows urine, yum yum. This makes there meat real raunchy, domestic dogs won't even eat it.
They didn't say so but if you read between the lines this was a Trophy hunt planned during a time of the season where they would have the best chances of getting a Caribou kill on film, the Rut.
 
Well said Boo... your right television is only two dimensional... Camera angles can be decieving... and people can get excited over nothing!
I will reserve judgement until I review the show.

Valid point but it IS TV and they have this thing called editting. Not to be too cynical here but why are these bloopers making it to air. TP over dubbed that he shot a small mulie becuase it was a management hunt in an area where such things do not exist. So he either did not know WTF he was doing or he lied.
 
Valid point but it IS TV and they have this thing called editting. Not to be too cynical here but why are these bloopers making it to air. TP over dubbed that he shot a small mulie becuase it was a management hunt in an area where such things do not exist. So he either did not know WTF he was doing or he lied.
Good point. I forgot about the aspect of editing.
 
Didn't see it, (actually never seen the show) but leaving out an animal overnight and returning in the morning isn't uncommon.

+1 over here. We killed a young bull a few years ago (Archery season) at last light and we only fully recovered him in morning. The only thing we were able to do that evening was track him and bleed him. We didnt' spoil any meat so I dont' see an issue.
 
Leaving meat out overnight ...

I live in Alberta and lots of times we have shot an animal late in the day and had to leave it overnight. In grizzly country I always try to have the dude that whacked the animal walk in first ..:D So far, and knock wood, no grizzlies ... if so, it would then be their moose/elk or whatever. Never a problem with the eating qualities of game left overnight in the normal cold nights. We had to leave a really big lion one night in far off South Africa. It was too heavy for the two of us and my wife to load up onto the vehicle .. so we drug it under a thorn tree, hung jackets in the thorns around it, and then urinated around the lion. It is possible that a griz might claim a dead elk .. in hyena country, I guarantee there would be nothing left except for a few chewed up big bones on a 500 pound lion by morning. It was untouched.
Re: Thomas Pigeon and has show 'Canada in the Rough' ... I love it !!! Between camera angles and people being human - I sure as heck ain't going to throw the first stone., !!! I saw the show on Sunday ... am looking forward to next Sunday's episode. And I don't live vicariously ...
 
realy what are your chances of losing game to predators other than a newbie that screams theres a bear in every tree in BC and wolves that will eat your kill before you get it gutted :rolleyes:

in 12 years of guiding and 24 years of hunting I have left a few animals overnight and ONCE in all that time did we have a bear get into the meat,

and all the bashing , come off the pot Dave and get a grip, your spouting 100 miles an hour and then you come up with this comment:

Very true. But some people wouldn't know that because they never stray very far from the truck and there cooler full of beer and burgers.

so all road hunters are drunks? kind of like me saying well your from the city so you must be a mall ninja?
you of all folks I would expect not to profile everyone the same ;)

Now for the reason the cape was taken off, if you don't take it off reletivley soon then the hair could possibly slip and the cape would be ruined, Caribou hair is a fantastic insulator and the body heat could very well remain long enough for this to happen.

In my opinion there is no reason to freak out about the handling of the animal. Plus it was in October, although they are required to take the meat out of the bush, the meat that time of year is basically inedible, caribou when they rut drink the cows urine, yum yum. This makes there meat real raunchy, domestic dogs won't even eat it.
They didn't say so but if you read between the lines this was a Trophy hunt planned during a time of the season where they would have the best chances of getting a Caribou kill on film, the Rut.


X2 my dog wouldnt even eat the meat after it was cooked and the house stunk like a dam skunk exploded in it after we shot a bull in the rutt

as for yanking the cape asap, it wont slip overnight, reasons we take it is in case you do get a run in with a bear and it gets destroyed and yes its time consuming, you dont just hack it off and go, it has to be cut down the spine and Y'ed at the antlers/horns and rolled forward for a shoulder mount and tube the legs out so the taxidermist has nuff material to work with, lips and eyes are a real pain in the arse, 1 wrong cut and it can be ruined then turning the ears can be a joy of there own as well if you dont have the tool, I am definetly not the fastest caper but about 4 hours to do a moose head out properly for me after I have the shoulders and neck done, and usualy I will buck the head off at that point and do the rest in camp including salting it and wrapping for transport
 
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+1 over here. We killed a young bull a few years ago (Archery season) at last light and we only fully recovered him in morning. The only thing we were able to do that evening was track him and bleed him. We didnt' spoil any meat so I dont' see an issue.
"Bleed him"? Not much bleeding takes place, unless the heart is still pumping.
 
"Bleed him"? Not much bleeding takes place, unless the heart is still pumping.

We slit his friggin throat.... The old man wanted it done so it got done, he must wanted it done for a reason, probably because his old man had done the same and so on.

Was it a waste of time ? yes, but in the end it didnt' matter.
 
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