Canada post and gun powder.... live rounds....

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I understood you cannot send gun powder in the mail.... apparently I was wrong, only black powder is listed. I was told this as I received a shipment of Varget from a business on here and was pointed to the law and its read. They are right, I inquired at a post office they said even loaded ammo is o.k. as long as it is not with the gun... So they will accept a box of 22-250 fed blue box there properly packaged. I have received multiple cans of Varget over the past few years... Far from where I live now but interesting take on the policy.... anyone know why gun powder is not listed, only black powder?
That was the difference and or distinction made to me by them.. and no please don't ruin this conversation on the black powder is gun powder argument... for this thread they are black powder, blows a tree stump out of the ground with the flick of a cigerette and gun powder takes a torch to make anything exciting on a plate to happen...
 
Huh, I'm 99% certain they had a pretty strict policy on that stuff. Powder, primers, ammo and even bullets. That was a few years back now, not sure if they changed it or your PO is pretty relaxed on it? Mine was adamant that anything to do with ammo is strictly against their policy.
 
It all boils down to what has a UN number and what doesn’t. I can double check the TDG book in the morning but I know ammo is listed something like ‘Cartridge, Small Arms Ammunition’ and is a dangerous good. I am quite sure smokeless powder is a dangerous good too.
Could you post what you read from Canada Post accepting dangerous goods like ammo?
 
Customers who are uncertain whether the items they intend to mail are dangerous goods should verify with the manufacturer or supplier or contact CANUTEC by phone at 1-613-992-4624. Customers can also consult www.tc.gc.ca/eng/tdg/safety-menu.htm for information.

Table 1: List of dangerous goods



Class 1
- Explosives
•ammunition / cartridge
•black powder
•blasting caps
•detonators
•dynamite
•explosive fuses and igniters
•fireworks
•flash powder
•grenades
•rocket motors
•signal flares
•toy and starting pistol caps



Class 2
- Compressed Gases
•aerosol products (hair sprays, inhalers)
•bear / dog spray
•camping stove and BBQ cylinders
•cigarette lighter
•cryogenic liquids (nitrogen, helium, etc.)
•cylinders of compressed gas (oxygen, air, acetylene, butane, propane, carbon dioxide, etc.)
•fire extinguishers
•mustard gas



Class 3
- Flammable liquids
•acetone (nail polish and remover)
•adhesives (glues)
•alcohols (butanols, methanol, ethanol, etc.)
•camping fuel
•cigarette lighter fuel
•essential oils (tea tree and eucalyptus oils)
•furniture stripper
•gasoline
•gasoline additives
•paints, enamels, lacquers, etc
•perfume and shaving lotion
•petroleum - products / kerosene
•thinners



Class 4
- Flammable substances
•charcoal
•fire starters
•flameless ration heaters (FRH)
•fuel tablets
•matches
•metals (calcium, magnesium, phosphurous and sodium)
•moth balls
•oil impregnated fabrics



Class 5
- Oxidizers and organic peroxides
•ammonium nitrate products (fertilizer)
•bleaching powders
•disinfectants
•fibreglass repair kits
•hair and textile dyes
•hydrogen peroxide
•nitrates
•organic peroxides
•oxygen pellets
•pool - chlorine / bromine



Class 6
- Toxic and infectious substances
•arsenic
•bacteria and viruses (hepatitis, HIV, etc.)
•chloroform
•disinfectants
•drugs / medicine
•fungicides
•herbicides
•infectious diagnostic specimen (blood samples)
•used needles and swabs




Class 7
- Radioactive materials
•measuring instruments
•medical isotopes
•smoke detectors



Class 8
- Corrosives
•acids (hydrochloric, sulphuric, nitric, muriatic, etc.)
•battery acid
•caustic soda
•cleaners
•disinfectants
•drain openers
•dyes
•etching fluid
•fire extinguishers
•formaldehyde
•household bleach
•mercury
•mercury thermometers and blood pressure gauges
•oven cleaners
•paint or varnish remover
•potassium hydroxide
•rust remover
•self heating beverages (SHB)
•soda lime
•sodium hydroxide



Class 9
- Miscellaneous
•air bags
•asbestos
•caron dioxide solid
•dry ice
•gas filled shock absorbers
•lithium batteries (with / without device)
•petrol powered devices - even without petrol (lawn mowers, chain saws, weed cutters, motor bikes, etc.)
•self inflating life preservers
•strong magnets
 
That is a general listing. Smokeless gun powder IS a dangerous good. Hell, compressed air (not oxygen)is a dangerous good.
Sorry my friend, no loop hole. You may find yourself in a lot of trouble if you knowingly ship undeclared gunpowder or ammunition.
Casings and bullets are fine but powders, primers and loaded cartridges are considered dangerous goods.
 
I think a lot of these "dangerous goods" are really only monitored when international packages are received by Canada Post. They don't really inspect domestic stuff, hell most of the stuff listed can be ordered off Amazon and delivered to your house the next day
 
luckythirteen said:
That is a general listing. Smokeless gun powder IS a dangerous good. Hell, compressed air (not oxygen)is a dangerous good.
Sorry my friend, no loop hole. You may find yourself in a lot of trouble if you knowingly ship undeclared gunpowder or ammunition.
Casings and bullets are fine but powders, primers and loaded cartridges are considered dangerous goods.
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No you are wrong, this is an exact post from there website as asked for. Not general at all. Also Did you bother to read the OP. They shipped to me that's why I started the post. I did not ask them to... if you only interested in loopholes go away.... If you can help us see where is smokeless gun powder listed please do so we /they din't get in trouble. Were here together, not looking for an opinion just clarification. any help would be appreciated on finding where it is written. thanks
 
SUSSEX said:
Customers who are uncertain whether the items they intend to mail are dangerous goods should verify with the manufacturer or supplier or contact CANUTEC by phone at 1-613-992-4624. Customers can also consult www.tc.gc.ca/eng/tdg/safety-menu.htm for information.
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First line - read it.
I am trained in dangerous goods. Gun powder is a class 1 explosives.
Why don’t you have her call the manufacture or CANUTEC and ask if smokeless powder is a dangerous goods because she sounds uncertain.
 
luckythirteen said:
First line - read it.
I am trained in dangerous goods. Gun powder is a class 1 explosives.
Why don’t you have her call the manufacture or CANUTEC and ask if smokeless powder is a dangerous goods because she sounds uncertain.
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why did I recive powder in the mail and why.... read the op
 
From CP site regarding non-mailable items re: firearms;

Customers who wish to ship firearms must:

unload the firearms - there cannot be any ammunition in the firearm or in the package (bullets, cartridges and other ammunition are dangerous goods)attach a secure locking device to the firearmslock the firearms in a sturdy, non-transparent container, andremove the bolt or bolt carrier from any automatic firearms (if removable).

Disclaimer:

NOTE:
The Index of Dangerous Goods contains examples of common dangerous goods and should not be regarded as an exhaustive list. The Index does not necessarily include items designated as non-mailable matter under#Canada Post’s Regulations Respecting Non-mailable Matter#(for example, knives that have been improperly prepared for mailing).

In other words, someone broke policy. CP does not knowingly ship ammo or components and will not allow it. Brass is fine and AFAIK bullets are not DG's but powder, primers and live ammunition are. I'm well aware that a pile of smokeless is about as explosive as a party sparkler but it is still classed as an explosive.
 
From Canada post -
Dangerous Goods, as defined by the Transportation of Dangerous Goods (TDGR), are non-mailable matter. Canada Post will not accept packages that contain dangerous goods or that display dangerous goods symbols, except for lithium batteries described in Section 2.2.9 Batteries of ABCs of Mailing. Canada Post must assume that all markings and labels on a package identify the actual contents. If any evidence of former hazardous material contents is visible, the package cannot be accepted.

From a quick SDS search of varget, on Hodgdons website, it is UN 0161, class 1.3 explosives with zero units allowed for limited quantity.

If she does this again and caught, she could get in a lot of trouble.
 
No ammo, powder or primers or other dangerous goods through CP.

Yes we are trained in shipping DG and send daily through couriers and truckers. Inert components only by CP.

Peter.
 
A couple of years back, I asked about this and was shown a list that specified bullets as well as ammunition. So they made the distinction that bullets alone are verboten, although everyone mails bullets.
 
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