Canada, WWII, and POW's (A blog)

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I am posting this link here for educational purposes only.

This is not something that is on the Canadian history radar screen.


An example of some of the material on this fellow's blog:


Dreary Prospects For a POW

However, any harsh conditions and rigid regulations had softened greatly by the time I arrived at Wainwright. The war had ended several months before, and attitudes had changed considerably. Germany had lost the long and bloody war, and our unwilling guests were no longer considered a dangerous threat to our security. At that point in time, the only possible motive for escape was to become illegal immigrants to Canada, with the hope of melting undetected into our population. All thoughts, for captives and captors alike, were on salvaging all they could from ruined lives.

For us, the victors, there were bright hopes in a country that despite the great cost of our victory, was spared the physical blight of war. For the vanquished, there was despair and uncertainty, knowing that their homeland was now largely in smoking ruins. It must have been a terrible thing to have suffered so much on far-flung battlefields and to know that it was all for nothing. They too were victims of the greatest episode of mass insanity in human history.

It was not generally realized that officially these men were prisoners of the British, and they were being incarcerated in Canada at the request of the British Government for obvious reasons. In Britain they were short of food and space, and any escapers posed more of a threat to security in what was literally a war zone. Britain retained control, and their wishes had to be complied with. I was not aware at the time of an extraordinarily harsh and pointless order concerning the treatment of POWs that came from Britain after the war ended. I learned of this only recently from the reminiscences of former Wainwright POW Siegfried Osterwoldt.

Rations were reduced to 900 calories per day, barely above subsistence level. The reasoning behind this is obscure. Was it to punish the Germans for the starvation and deprivation among war victims across Europe? To let them know what real hunger felt like after living so well on Canadian rations that they had difficulty buttoning their uniforms? I have no idea of what the Canadian authorities thought of this order from the British Government, but under the bilateral agreement the Canadians had no option but to comply. I learned recently that the American government at the same time imposed the same ration restrictions on the thousands of POWs they held in the U.S.A. One thing was certain - with the defeat of Germany and the liberation of our men from their POW camps, there was no danger of retaliation.
Tony
 
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There were still a number of former POW huts in Camp Wainwright until at least the mid 1970s. I believe that the WOs and Sgts Mess was housed in one of them. I can recall one of the huts being moved out to Airfield 21 for use by ALCE personnel during airlift operations at Airfield 21. The last time I was in Camp Wainwright they still had a reconstruction of one of the guard towers on display.

The Airborne Regt mountain school, which used to be located at Ribbon Creek in the Kananaskis, used a couple of the POW huts from the POW camp which was located near Sebee, AB during WW2. That was a very picturesque spot. I can remember talking about the buildings when we operated out of that location. I believe that area has been developed since then starting around the time of the 1988 Olympics.
 
This might have something to do with the British order that kept the German POWs hungry:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/4/newsid_3818000/3818563.stm

Rations were pretty slim for allied POWs in Germany as well. There was a lot of dependance on Red Cross parcels when they came thru. The Germans would habitually puncture the canned foods so that they were eaten immediately and not squirreled away for use by escapees. My neighbour has her father's diary from the time that he spent in a POW camp. Food was a primary topic, both what was available and what he wished for. Food rationing ended in Canada in 1947. I have a wartime ration book that was issued in my name as an infant.
 
Considering how Germans treated their prisoners in general, being in Canadian custody was like the club med.
 
@ PURPLE:

I still have my book, too, issued when I was 7 weeks old.

Funny, though, all my coupons for Meat are "missing"........ also for Tea, Coffee and Sugar...... and I SWEAR that I didn't start drinking coffee until I was in University. Mom and Dad, OTOH, dearly loved a cup of the Evil Brew.

Just wondering if there might be a connection there..... or if it was customary to remove infants' coupons until a certain age.

Anything is possible, I suppose.... and I really don't remember a lot from 1944!
 
My mother's uncle was in a Japanese POW camp. He nearly starved to death and came out of there a walking skeleton. I'm sure he would have dreamed of getting 900 calories a day.
 
While growing up, a family friend was the child of a a couple who were working as missionaries in the 1930s to early 1940s. I don't quite recall where they were working, possibly Malaya (that was the name of the country back then). Their missionary work ground to a halt with the Japanese invasion of course. What happened was that they were taken on a forced march to a detention facility. The fact they were all civilians might have counted a great deal towards the child surviving. I am not sure if his mother & father survived the detention camps.

Word from mom was that the man would not tolerate any of his children not eating the food they were presented with at mealtimes in his house.

Considering how Germans treated their prisoners in general, being in Canadian custody was like the club med.

^Absolutely.

It's interesting that the "Canadian Wheat Board" lasted so long after it's raison d'etre was null and void. Government can be very bizarre sometimes, esp. when they get territorial.
 
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@ PURPLE:

I still have my book, too, issued when I was 7 weeks old.

Funny, though, all my coupons for Meat are "missing"........ also for Tea, Coffee and Sugar...... and I SWEAR that I didn't start drinking coffee until I was in University. Mom and Dad, OTOH, dearly loved a cup of the Evil Brew.

Just wondering if there might be a connection there..... or if it was customary to remove infants' coupons until a certain age.

Anything is possible, I suppose.... and I really don't remember a lot from 1944!

Well George you put me in a real tizzy because I can't find my hope chest which contains my ration book. Being a tight-a$$ you never know when it might be needed again. I do remember the sugar coupons being used though. I have to think that rationing must have been a non-issue for us for milk, flour, eggs and meat, because we were producing our own on the farm. I can still remember the local mill grinding bags of flour and cracked wheat cereal for us from our own grain come fall. With a big garden and a lot of fall canning people could be pretty much self-contained, except for spices which could be had from the travelling Watkins Products man. One big boost was the fruit which came in on the train from BC every fall. All of the women would get to fruit canning on an industrial scale, a nice addition to the canned crabapples, raspberries and saskatoons which were the only locally grown fruits on the prairies.

Funny, my American grandparents on my mother's side were great coffee drinkers, but never had tea that often. My dad's people, and a lot of the people around us, came from England and were bigtime tea drinkers, "the staff of life" as it was called. My grandmother would always serve afternoon tea and baked goodies with homemade jams around 3-3:30PM and would even bring it out to the field at harvest time.
 
My mother's uncle was in a Japanese POW camp. He nearly starved to death and came out of there a walking skeleton. I'm sure he would have dreamed of getting 900 calories a day.

My mother also had an uncle, a Royal Engineer, who went in the bag with the Singapore garrison. They say he never talked about the POW camp life, never spoke to a Japanese person or knowingly bought or used anything made in Japan.
 
My mother also had an uncle, a Royal Engineer, who went in the bag with the Singapore garrison. They say he never talked about the POW camp life, never spoke to a Japanese person or knowingly bought or used anything made in Japan.

Chances are many of us have ancestors who served in WWII. One of my ancestors had similar opinions about Japanese & German persons, and Japanese & German products. As far as I am concerned, he came by his life views honestly. I don't share his views about those things, as it would be silly for me to inherit his views just because. I suppose I just don't: "get it".
 
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In the mid-late 1970s I served with an MWO who was Hong Kong vet, probably the last one in the CF still taking the Queen's shilling. He spent the rest of the war doing slave labour in the Japanese shipyards and coal mines and was understandably very bitter about his treatment. He wouldn't even own a made in Japan appliance. He is now deceased after living longer than most Hong Kong vets. I also knew his son who I met again a few years ago while doing contract training for the CF. I was happy to tell him how highly I thought of his Dad.
 
What many people do not understand is that Canada, almost from Day One, was MUCH closer to the concept of "Total War" than Germany would get, even in 1944.

In Canada, food supplies were rationed strictly because Canada, with its 12 million or so people, had a million in the Forces and another million in War industries AND was trying to feed Great Britain (with over FIFTY million people) as well. The Federal Government, for one thing, seized control of the vital Grain industry early in the War and only has released most of that "emergency War-time" control in the last couple of years. That control was used originally to keep grain and thus food prices here LOW and also to assure a LOW price for vital supplies to Britain. Churchill had an arrangement whereby the Canadian farmers would be milked solidly DURING the War and then, once the War was over, prices would rise to ABOVE the going rate in order to repay them for their help. The problem was that Churchill was voted OUT in the first post-War election in Britain, LABOUR was installed and Labour said, in effect, 'Thanks for the cheap lunch, Canada, now SCREW YOU!' The Federal Government held onto the absolute marketing power over Canadian grain for another 65 years because it provided jobs for a wonderful Liberal-based bureaucracy, gave the Feds more control over Canadians right down the line, and also allowed the Government to use Canadian food for political purposes..... when the Wheat Board bureaucrats weren't forgetting to attend the annual markets.... and then selling Canadian Number 1 wheat for Feed prices. It also worked out very well when our good friend Nikita screwed-up his New Lands project and Canadian food, at half price, subsidized by the Canadian taxpayer, paid for through huge 'loans' to Russia, was used to avert Russia's FOURTH great famine of the 20th Century. Russia at that time was the world's largest producer of platinum, diamonds and possibly gold..... but your grandfather paid for Nickie's lunch.

Back to Canada in Wartime. Money was free and easy, there were lots of job and they paid well. All those war-bond drives and war loans and War Savings certificates - and the rapidly-escalating taxes - were for one purpose: to get money OUT of circulation. Inflation is caused by one thing: too much MONEY chasing too few GOODS.... and Wartime Canada had LOTS of money and VERY few goods. Even with the strongest measures which could be implemented safely, Canada had 30% inflation during the period of the War. It was bad. How bad? Well, used cars could sell, later in the War, for the value of their TIRES. I learned all about filling a used tire with rags before I was 12 years old! And by the time I was 14, I knew all about de-sulphating a battery, something which the eco-freaks have rediscovered recently. There were NO batteries..... unless you knew somebody who could get you an illegal one from the Army..... or one that was being replaced for a Doctor, Ambulance, Police car or Fire Engine. Otherwise, there were NONE, period. RUBBER there was a-plenty for tires for Aircraft, Army trucks, Military motorcycles, Tank tracks and the like.... but I cut my first teeth on a little Owlhead .32 Short 5-shot revolver with the grips wrapped in (stolen) green Scotch instrument tape..... because there was NO rubber available for a teething-ring for a baby.

GASOLINE was available but the supplies were very short. We lived on 88th Street in Edmonton and my Dad was Chief Inspector (Instruments) at Aircraft repair on 107th.... and even HE could not get enough gas to get to work in his '31 Marquette. Result? A '29 Harley 30.50 single turned up (with GOOD tires and a blown engine), I was evicted from my room (first time: second time was much more interesting because I was older).... and Dad could run the 80-mpg Harley to work..... in 30 below.

But there WAS some black-marketeering at times, although generally not a lot because the penalties were vicious. Dad WAS able, though connections at the aircraft plant, to obtain 4 cans of Orange Juice from the American PX..... and that was the ONLY juice my Mom saw in the final year and a half of the War. When my parents were married (October, 1943) in Vancouver, there was some VERY serious black-marketing. Ration coupons had to be detached from their Book in the actual PRESENCE of the store-keeper, as an anti-forgery and anti-black marketing precaution. With the aid of a friendly storekeeper who was willing to look the other way, all of my Mom's friends got together and donated Ration Coupons..... and so my parents were able to have a real WEDDING CAKE - not very big (I have a photo) but it was REAL - that October 2. I emphasize that my folks' Wedding Cake was REAL because so many of the War-time Wedding Cakes were decorated CARDBOARD; the tiny slivers passed out to guests at the Reception were cut from small cakes baked by friends of the bride, each one different according to what they could spare from their Ration Book. MONEY was not the problem: the problem was COUPONS which were worth MORE than money because you could not spend the money if you didn't have the Coupons.

In GERMANY, despite all of the bluster about "TOTALISCHE KRIEG", many factories kept right on producing consumer goods through most of the War period which Canadians cheerfully would have KILLED to get their hands on. In 1944, about the time I was getting born, you could still buy a brand-new Leica IIIC camera, the finest rangefinder 35mm in the world.... or even a brand-new Praktica 35mm Single-Lens REFLEX: the world's most advanced focal-plane-shutter camera. I would really like one of those, but I only have the 1938! Works fine, too. No, the problem in Germany was not fine consumer goods: it was FOOD and CLOTHING. The famous WINTERHILFSWERKE which saw the German Army sporting fur coats through that terrible Winter in Russia was NECESSARY because the Wehrmacht had NO HEAVY WINTER COATS: the War simply would have been over by then, so the coats were never ordered! The Canadian Army, OTOH, was without doubt the BEST-clothed in the world. I still have a Wartime "issue" overcoat and have worn it in 35 below (F) on many occasions and, despite pretty serious circulation troubles from the Polio I had when I was 3, I am still staggering around. Those were GOOD coats! And the Officers' version was as soft as a kitten. QUALITY. American gear came nowhere close.

When I started working, I did some time in a Bakery. The Baker himself was a displaced Dresdener whose family had moved to Berlin. Harry joined the Hitler-Jugend in order that he could get the special Ration Card which was available only for Nazi Party purposes. With that, he got his Hitler Youth uniform, which he wore whenever he possibly could justify it. That saved his (one) decent set of clothes for Church. He worked in a Bakery in Berlin and recounted how the man from the Bread Board would come around and determine if they were using the right amount of SAWDUST in the Rye-flour. By the end of the War, it was up to FIFTY percent Sawdust, the other half actual food. Despite even these precautions, my friend Axel Thunstrom (a neutral Swede working internationally for the ICRC as a KZ/POW Camp Inspector) told me that, "In the Spring of 1945, the German Army was starving..... and they got the best." All he would say about the camps was that "It was bad..... really bad."

But so many more people than in modern society were Farmers. One would THINK that farmers should have it easier.... and, should you KNOW a Farmer, you would be much better-off. That was a good IDEA but that was about all. In Canada, having an unpapered Pig or Steer might net you a heavy, nasty fine but, in Germany, the same thing could net you a BULLET if the Government found you out.

Most definitely, there was enough misery and deprivation to go around. Let's hope we don't have to do it again.
 
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My uncle was captured in Normandy in August, 1944 and was a POW until nearly VE Day. He weighed 162 lbs when captured and weighed 98 lbs when liberated. His heart was permanently damaged from malnutrition but he didn't bear the Germans any ill will. He said when they worked loading rail cars with grain several men tied the bottoms of their trousers with their boot laces before the march back to camp and filled their pant legs with grain. The German NCO had the men with the full pant legs march on the inside of the column so the German officers wouldn't notice their bulky clothing. Many Germans who were POW's here emigrated to Canada following the war. I have read more than a few accounts of Canadian guards(usually WW1 VETS) asking the POW's to "hold their rifle" while they performed a task. German accounts of many of their guards mentioned that these older men treated their young captives like sons at times and most had good memories of their captivity here.
 
The reductions to food rations of German POWs didn't just happen in Canada at the end of the war.
My father was a POW at Camp Perry, Ohio and he described that when Germany surrendered, the food rations were cut back to near starvation levels. He said that food was actually trucked out of the camp. Many of the POW's would work on local farms but soon the farmers didn't want them anymore because they were often too weak to work and were stealing too much food. My dad had work milking cows and would sneak a sip from the bucket whenever he could. Another trick he mentioned was to nail stale bread to the underside of a table so it wouldn't be spotted when the guards would search the prisoner huts for contraband food. Food would also be hidden inside the tar paper walls of the huts.
 
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