I think you hit it squarly on the head Terry. Either we're want to part of the class, or we don't. No wonder National is so leary of supporting a team for the FCWC- we can't even get ourselves to Ottawa- how can they be assured we'll have our poop in a group for England???? Incredibly disappointed here.
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I think you hit it squarly on the head Terry. Either we're want to part of the class, or we don't. No wonder National is so leary of supporting a team for the FCWC- we can't even get ourselves to Ottawa- how can they be assured we'll have our poop in a group for England???? Incredibly disappointed here.
LarryBartholome
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FCWC Target
Terry,
The target to be used in the 2009 Bisley FCWC is in fact dimensionally the same as that used for the 2005 South African FCWC. 5” V ring, 10” Ten-ring, the V-ring will be just that a ring, not a white blob. V’s will count as V-fives, not 6 points. The dimensions are the same as the USA F-Class 10-x target.
I hope your country can get teams together for Bisley in 2009; we missed you in South Africa in 2005. I am looking forward to see a number of you northerners at Lodi, WI in October.
Terry,
The target to be used in the 2009 Bisley FCWC is in fact dimensionally the same as that used for the 2005 South African FCWC. 5” V ring, 10” Ten-ring, the V-ring will be just that a ring, not a white blob. V’s will count as V-fives, not 6 points. The dimensions are the same as the USA F-Class 10-x target.
I hope your country can get teams together for Bisley in 2009; we missed you in South Africa in 2005. I am looking forward to see a number of you northerners at Lodi, WI in October.
Terry Perkins
CGN frequent flyer
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- Bruce County
Larry,
Thanks for the target info. I know of 6 Canadians that are definitely committed to Lodi in October. There could be others I don't know of. We'll see for sure in October.
Thanks for the target info. I know of 6 Canadians that are definitely committed to Lodi in October. There could be others I don't know of. We'll see for sure in October.
Hi Terry, I know I don't speak for all Western Canadians but most of us are going to be stuck to the regional stuff and some selected matches in the US Pacific Northwest. Sad state of affairs but one that is becoming more of a reality due to all the reasons Tom and John mentioned earlier.
It would be nice if the DCRA could assemble and organize a complete travel package with the airlines, hotels, car rentals, to allow us to get there with what we need, at an affordable fee, but we know that ain't going to happen. I've been told by some of the TR types, that go to Bisley, it's substantially less expensive to go as an individual and not have to cough up for the added Team nessecities.
I believe someone had mentioned drumming up sponsorships from the public arena. I suppose if you were a ###, blind, wheel chair bound championship finger painter, you might raise a few dollars. Doing it as a "shooter, going to the National Championships" all you'll get is doors slammed in you face from people with a definite look of fear on their faces. This is Canada remember.
I'll get to Ottawa sometime again and maybe even the US Nationals but it's all contingent on the price of gas and the time alloted to burn it. I didn't want to admit it but F Class is becoming a rich mans sport. Not because of equipment, just the wherewithall to get to the matches.
Cheers, Glen
It would be nice if the DCRA could assemble and organize a complete travel package with the airlines, hotels, car rentals, to allow us to get there with what we need, at an affordable fee, but we know that ain't going to happen. I've been told by some of the TR types, that go to Bisley, it's substantially less expensive to go as an individual and not have to cough up for the added Team nessecities.
I believe someone had mentioned drumming up sponsorships from the public arena. I suppose if you were a ###, blind, wheel chair bound championship finger painter, you might raise a few dollars. Doing it as a "shooter, going to the National Championships" all you'll get is doors slammed in you face from people with a definite look of fear on their faces. This is Canada remember.
I'll get to Ottawa sometime again and maybe even the US Nationals but it's all contingent on the price of gas and the time alloted to burn it. I didn't want to admit it but F Class is becoming a rich mans sport. Not because of equipment, just the wherewithall to get to the matches.
Cheers, Glen
Mr Wolf, you talk of "National" being leary of support. I'm wondering what support? There has never been any offered, ask Dr. Thompson. Further, talk to Leo D'Amour about what his experience was like in South Africa. I know he'll never get involved again.
Cheers, Glen
Cheers, Glen
LarryBartholome
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We had to add another relay (5 total) to allow for 140 competitors, the max daylight will allow. The range has 28 targets and 5 relays will allow for 140. I sure hate to turn away shooters, but this match will still probably wind up being the biggest F-Class only match in the world so far. Sorry you weren’t able to enter.
If you want to shoot in one of our Nationals, you have to get your entry as soon as applications open up. Plan on next year.
Glen,
I'm talking about attempts to put together a F/F (F/TR) team together. I don't mean financial support- we all know that isn't in the cards- I just mean we're having a tough time getting people to commit.
The 09 FCWC team is not cancelled - or at least if it is, Dan Chisholm hasn't told me about it! There are 4 of us shooters in Kamloops alone that are chomping at the bit to go, and there is likely a fifth. It is NOT for lack of participants who want to go - even at their own expense.
I learned a long time ago that the more "organized" a club or hobby becomes, the more obfuscated it becomes. I avoid getting involved in executives and politics of clubs for that very reason. I'm still trying to figure out exactly what it is that DCRA does for promoting F-class in this country, and considering the only info I get on big upcoming matches is in the form of internet banter such as this (often too late to do anything about it) , it is hardly surprising that entries are so sporadic.
These organizations need to embrace the fact that some if us do not eat, sleep, and breathe our memberships in DCRA or BCRA for that matter. They need to smarted up and be FAR more active in advertising and promoting at the club level. Even their websites are way under-utilized. Those fees we pay are perceived by many as a fine, not a membership fee. There is not a great deal of value for the money there.
Unless these organizations modernize and become more active in promoting and recruiting, the shoots I've attended will continue to have age 60+ as the average age of participants. There needs to be way more fun and far less fuddy-duddy.
Hi Guys, I know the attendance issue is always in discussion. We'd all like to see more shooters, especially younger shooters get involved. At the APRA, we are doing Free Clinics with moderate success. What I've seen though, as Ian points out, is that a lot of them are substantially long in the tooth to be considered "Juniors". Nationally, I expect the same thing is prevalent. Where this will eventually lead, one can only guess.
I also realize the DCRA is a figurehead organization as they too have limited means to work with and therefore don't have a visible, tangible affect on the goings on in the PRA's. To that end, and taking the Canadian penchant for apathy into consideration, I was not the least bit surprised at the complete failure of the super human effort and planning expended by Jim Thompson. I applaude his efforts and can understand his, and everyone elses, disappointment. Knowing what's involved to get to Ottawa or Bisley both in terms of dollars and free time, I know that any team to anywhere would not be the best shooters we have but would ultimately be the shooters who have a limitless budget of dollars and time.
What I'm hearing from the places I get to on a regular basis is; in addition to the expenditures involved to attend a major, it's more about the time required. Only the semi retired with a good handle on things and no familial constraints have an abundance of both. To attempt to muster a competitive team from a Country as large as ours, from personnel who have their own windmills to slay, is just a larger tilt at a larger windmill.
In my opinion, there are no answers, just more questions.
Cheers, Glen
I also realize the DCRA is a figurehead organization as they too have limited means to work with and therefore don't have a visible, tangible affect on the goings on in the PRA's. To that end, and taking the Canadian penchant for apathy into consideration, I was not the least bit surprised at the complete failure of the super human effort and planning expended by Jim Thompson. I applaude his efforts and can understand his, and everyone elses, disappointment. Knowing what's involved to get to Ottawa or Bisley both in terms of dollars and free time, I know that any team to anywhere would not be the best shooters we have but would ultimately be the shooters who have a limitless budget of dollars and time.
What I'm hearing from the places I get to on a regular basis is; in addition to the expenditures involved to attend a major, it's more about the time required. Only the semi retired with a good handle on things and no familial constraints have an abundance of both. To attempt to muster a competitive team from a Country as large as ours, from personnel who have their own windmills to slay, is just a larger tilt at a larger windmill.
In my opinion, there are no answers, just more questions.
Cheers, Glen
We had our fullbore provincial championships here in Nova Scotia this weekend, and I believe there were more F class shooters than TR.
...and the competition was fierce.
The NB four-man team beat the upstart NS team by 2 points at 800m.
Great fun.
I can't make '09 because of work, but sign me up for Bisley '10. I'm eyeballing Lodi too, is it too late?
V7
Reference Lodi: Ah crap...never mind. Sigh.
...and the competition was fierce.
The NB four-man team beat the upstart NS team by 2 points at 800m.
Great fun.
I can't make '09 because of work, but sign me up for Bisley '10. I'm eyeballing Lodi too, is it too late?
V7
Reference Lodi: Ah crap...never mind. Sigh.
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LarryBartholome
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I apologize before hand for what I am about to write, but I just can’t help myself. I have been through this same thing and feel it needs to be said. If you’ll want me to crawl back in my hole and shut up just let me know and I will.
As an outsider I know what I am about to write is going to p_ss-off a lot of Canadians, but here goes. If you want to send a team to Bisley in 2009 or any other international match, you need to do the same thing the U.S. shooters did in 2002 and have done since then. Someone formed a team and told the USA NRA they were going to represent the country in a world championship. When someone at the NRA balked at approving the team (as required by ICFRA) as a USA team we just went over his head and got approval from higher up the food chain. The U.S. team is self funded and it is run as such. Any support the team gets they got on their own. You can’t expect your national organization to fund squat. It would be nice, but not likely.
You just have to find someone willing to put out the time and effort to form a team. Whoever takes this job on deserves the support of everyone else, with no back stabbing or complaining about how he goes about the job. Believe me it can be done, it just isn’t easy. Whoever takes on the job has to actively recruit as many F-Class, TR and BR people as they possibly can from all over your great country. He has to be very persuasive. He has to convince BR and TR shooters that they can shoot F-Class better than anyone else and that their team can win! Complaining about it won’t get the job done. It can be done with as little as 8 people for F-Open and 4 people for F/TR. Of course more would be better.
I for one want to see a Canadian team in Bisley and I think you have the talent to do extremely well.
Do I hear a volunteer?
As an outsider I know what I am about to write is going to p_ss-off a lot of Canadians, but here goes. If you want to send a team to Bisley in 2009 or any other international match, you need to do the same thing the U.S. shooters did in 2002 and have done since then. Someone formed a team and told the USA NRA they were going to represent the country in a world championship. When someone at the NRA balked at approving the team (as required by ICFRA) as a USA team we just went over his head and got approval from higher up the food chain. The U.S. team is self funded and it is run as such. Any support the team gets they got on their own. You can’t expect your national organization to fund squat. It would be nice, but not likely.
You just have to find someone willing to put out the time and effort to form a team. Whoever takes this job on deserves the support of everyone else, with no back stabbing or complaining about how he goes about the job. Believe me it can be done, it just isn’t easy. Whoever takes on the job has to actively recruit as many F-Class, TR and BR people as they possibly can from all over your great country. He has to be very persuasive. He has to convince BR and TR shooters that they can shoot F-Class better than anyone else and that their team can win! Complaining about it won’t get the job done. It can be done with as little as 8 people for F-Open and 4 people for F/TR. Of course more would be better.
I for one want to see a Canadian team in Bisley and I think you have the talent to do extremely well.
Do I hear a volunteer?
Terry Perkins
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- Bruce County
Thank you very much, Larry. You are very correct in your assessment. I don't believe there is a volunteer for 09. We ran out of time by dithering. However, I know one s.o.b. that is going to step up to the plate for the next round.
Already done. there is an F-(O) Canadian team in the works for the F-Class world championships at Bisley in 2009 and essentially, this is the very "build it and they will come" philosophy was the course of action that has been taken. There will be a very strong showing from the Kamloops area with 4 of us committed to going, and more trying to make it work. It is not just a token showing, I feel we have a solid group of shooters as well.
Come hell or high water, we will have a Canadian F-Class team at Bisley.
Come hell or high water, we will have a Canadian F-Class team at Bisley.
Terry Perkins
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Bruce County
I have some questions.
Are other interested F class shooters going to be kept in the loop?
Did someone volunteer for the position of captain?
So, the team will be approved by the DCRA (as required by the ICFRA)?
Are other interested F class shooters going to be kept in the loop?
Did someone volunteer for the position of captain?
