Canadian 9mm sten gun ammo

[x westie]

I know there are alot of well informed people on this forum and i wanted to ask about Canadian 9mm sten gun ammo produced in Canada in ww2, this was apparently very potent ammo, was supposed to be hard on pistols such as the Inglis HP 9mm, was this only the case of the Canadian 9mm ammo in WW2 or did this continue after the war too.Also was German 9mm ammo comparible to say Canadian or Brit 9mm ammo, looking forward to your input, thanks

 

[RobertMcC]

I know there are alot of well informed people on this forum and i wanted to ask about Canadian 9mm sten gun ammo produced in Canada in ww2, this was apparently very potent ammo, was supposed to be hard on pistols such as the Inglis HP 9mm, was this only the case of the Canadian 9mm ammo in WW2 or did this continue after the war too.Also was German 9mm ammo comparible to say Canadian or Brit 9mm ammo, looking forward to your input, thanks

The ammo we still use today is for the SMG and HP only, Cannot be used in the Sig's, Chews up the guns too much.

 

[SDC]

It was definitely higher pressure/higher velocity stuff; I remember reading about a post WW2 test the US did on their helmets, and the Canadian 9mm ball was the only stuff they tested that would penetrate all the way through.

 

[eos]

I know there are alot of well informed people on this forum and i wanted to ask about Canadian 9mm sten gun ammo produced in Canada in ww2, this was apparently very potent ammo, was supposed to be hard on pistols such as the Inglis HP 9mm, was this only the case of the Canadian 9mm ammo in WW2 or did this continue after the war too.Also was German 9mm ammo comparible to say Canadian or Brit 9mm ammo, looking forward to your input, thanks

The ammo we still use today is for the SMG and HP only, Cannot be used in the Sig's, Chews up the guns too much.

We still have Sterlings in the system?

 

[green]

From "Pistol and Revolver Cartridges" White and Munhall

Type Vel Avg Press.
US Comm 1354 28370
115 gr
Cdn Govt 1478 35280
114.5gr
Ital Govt 1473 28550
113.9gr
German Govt 1296 35138
123.5gr
German Govt 1482 32880
98.9gr m.E
German Govt 1505 31667
91.8gr SE

WWII production military except US, 12.5" bl.

mE steel core
SE sintered iron bt

 

[x westie]

I know there are alot of well informed people on this forum and i wanted to ask about Canadian 9mm sten gun ammo produced in Canada in ww2, this was apparently very potent ammo, was supposed to be hard on pistols such as the Inglis HP 9mm, was this only the case of the Canadian 9mm ammo in WW2 or did this continue after the war too.Also was German 9mm ammo comparible to say Canadian or Brit 9mm ammo, looking forward to your input, thanks

The ammo we still use today is for the SMG and HP only, Cannot be used in the Sig's, Chews up the guns too much.

We still have Sterlings in the system?

The Stirling was what the Brits called this weapon, in Canadian Army it was usually called the SMG, correct name was the C1 SMG 9mm ,all C1 Smg's were put in war reserve until recently, most i understand have been or in the process of being destroyed as well as our stocks of C1 & C2 Rifles, these i am told are been cut up or melted down these last several weeks. The 9mm SMG that " RobertMcC" was refering to is the HK MP5 smg, this weapon i know is used by Naval boarding parties, probably the special forces JTF2 and the RCMP ERT, i don't believe the any units of the Canadian Army, other than JTF2 are issued with the HK MP5.

 

[eos]

I know there are alot of well informed people on this forum and i wanted to ask about Canadian 9mm sten gun ammo produced in Canada in ww2, this was apparently very potent ammo, was supposed to be hard on pistols such as the Inglis HP 9mm, was this only the case of the Canadian 9mm ammo in WW2 or did this continue after the war too.Also was German 9mm ammo comparible to say Canadian or Brit 9mm ammo, looking forward to your input, thanks

The ammo we still use today is for the SMG and HP only, Cannot be used in the Sig's, Chews up the guns too much.

We still have Sterlings in the system?

The Stirling was what the Brits called this weapon, in Canadian Army it was usually called the SMG, correct name was the C1 SMG 9mm ,all C1 Smg's were put in war reserve until recently, most i understand have been or in the process of being destroyed as well as our stocks of C1 & C2 Rifles, these i am told are been cut up or melted down these last several weeks. The 9mm SMG that " RobertMcC" was refering to is the HK MP5 smg, this weapon i know is used by Naval boarding parties, probably the special forces JTF2 and the RCMP ERT, i don't believe the any units of the Canadian Army, other than JTF2 are issued with the HK MP5.

Well, we called it a Sterling or simply "smidge" (C1 always referred to the rifle in ordinary conversation then) in RO31 world back in my days in the CF. Used one on and off for 18 years. Get nostalgic for it everytime I shoot my buddy's Mk 4 police carbine.

 

[x westie]

I know there are alot of well informed people on this forum and i wanted to ask about Canadian 9mm sten gun ammo produced in Canada in ww2, this was apparently very potent ammo, was supposed to be hard on pistols such as the Inglis HP 9mm, was this only the case of the Canadian 9mm ammo in WW2 or did this continue after the war too.Also was German 9mm ammo comparible to say Canadian or Brit 9mm ammo, looking forward to your input, thanks

The ammo we still use today is for the SMG and HP only, Cannot be used in the Sig's, Chews up the guns too much.

We still have Sterlings in the system?

The Stirling was what the Brits called this weapon, in Canadian Army it was usually called the SMG, correct name was the C1 SMG 9mm ,all C1 Smg's were put in war reserve until recently, most i understand have been or in the process of being destroyed as well as our stocks of C1 & C2 Rifles, these i am told are been cut up or melted down these last several weeks. The 9mm SMG that " RobertMcC" was refering to is the HK MP5 smg, this weapon i know is used by Naval boarding parties, probably the special forces JTF2 and the RCMP ERT, i don't believe the any units of the Canadian Army, other than JTF2 are issued with the HK MP5.

Well, we called it a Sterling or simply "smidge" (C1 always referred to the rifle in ordinary conversation then) in RO31 world back in my days in the CF. Used one on and off for 18 years. Get nostalgic for it everytime I shoot my buddy's Mk 4 police carbine.

Calling the SMG a "Smidge brings back alot of memories, i recall in my time in the army, we refer to the smg as a "Smig".

 

[Garand]

C-74-305-PAO/TA-000
Cartridge, 9 millimeter All Types

Bullet: 115 grain lead antimony covered with a gilding metal jacket.

Muzzle Velocity out of a Browning HP: 1,200 ft/sec (365 meters/sec)
Muzzle velocity out of SMG 9mm C1: 1,340 ft/sec (409 meters/sec)

To my knowledge NDHQ has not currently restricted the use of 9mm Ball, Cdn Mk1 is either sigs nor hk's. Currently to my knowledge, only the meatheads are authorized to carry Federal 9mm Hydra Shok. Robert McC please quote your sources.

 

[flashman]

To my knowledge NDHQ has not currently restricted the use of 9mm Ball, Cdn Mk1 is either sigs nor hk's. Currently to my knowledge, only the meatheads are authorized to carry Federal 9mm Hydra Shok. Robert McC please quote your sources.

Actually, the MP HP ammo is made by IVI as well... It's not Federal. And yes only the MPs can carry it; it's nothing to so with NDHQ / the Cdn gov't authorization however, it's to do with the LOAC.

 

[Garand]

The last time that I issued MP's ammo it was 5 years ago and I did issue Federal. And yes NDHQ DOES AUTHORIZE every type, caliber and nature of ammunition that is to fired out of a service weapon. If a service member uses unauthorized ammunition in his service firearm and became injured by it, he/she could find him/herself without a pension. Plus it is a chargeable offense.

 

[Suputin]

I have a box of WWII 9mm ammo and it is marked "for use in sub-machine guns". It was made by Winchester and shipped to Britain as part of the lend-lease program.

 

[OLD RSM]

Navy use CDN Mk1 9mm Ball in there Sig`s
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