Canadian Army Boots

What's wrong with the black boots ?

Issued boots were subpar and low quality.

About 3 years ago I had the opportunity to buy (legally) a brand new never worn pair of CAF black boots made in Canada. For as little as I have worn them, mostly fall and early winter only, I have never had a boot deteriorate as fast in my life. I have had trail running shoes I put 5 Km a day on last longer, and I am about to replace my trail runners after 5 years. The boots have no grip left, the edge of the sole is tearing away from the leather, and the toe cap area is almost worn through to my toes from the occasional kneeling.

I think as others have described, if I were putting 20-50 times as much use on those boots I would never want to have those boots CAF are issued.
 
I must be an anomaly because I wore them today out cutting brush and I really can’t believe how comfortable I find them.

So slippery on the snow
I liked them enough... Getting them in the correct size/ width was somewhat of a challenge. As in, one year I'm wearing size 9.5... next order, I needed a size 8 ?!?

But with a running shoe insoles, they were ok.

These Royer were a joke... Every would come apart just sitting around.

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For the last few years, my go to hiking/hunting Boots have been Aku Griffon
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About 3 years ago I had the opportunity to buy (legally) a brand new never worn pair of CAF black boots made in Canada. For as little as I have worn them, mostly fall and early winter only, I have never had a boot deteriorate as fast in my life. I have had trail running shoes I put 5 Km a day on last longer, and I am about to replace my trail runners after 5 years. The boots have no grip left, the edge of the sole is tearing away from the leather, and the toe cap area is almost worn through to my toes from the occasional kneeling.

I think as others have described, if I were putting 20-50 times as much use on those boots I would never want to have those boots CAF are issued.
No idea which model you are referring to, but does not sound like the Greb mark II. Maybe the mark III boot - those were not so good.
 
The canadian issue greb boots were garbage i wish i knew about orthotics back then my feet and legs are destroyed over those nasty greb boots
 
About 3 years ago I had the opportunity to buy (legally) a brand new never worn pair of CAF black boots made in Canada. For as little as I have worn them, mostly fall and early winter only, I have never had a boot deteriorate as fast in my life. I have had trail running shoes I put 5 Km a day on last longer, and I am about to replace my trail runners after 5 years. The boots have no grip left, the edge of the sole is tearing away from the leather, and the toe cap area is almost worn through to my toes from the occasional kneeling.

I think as others have described, if I were putting 20-50 times as much use on those boots I would never want to have those boots CAF are issued.

The pair I have are incredibly durable. They are showing wear but it is mostly from a shovel/digging
 

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Love my iron rangers, but they are not very dressy for going to town. For more stylish urban wear, I have a pair of Thursday Captain boots I’ve really liked the last 5 yrs or so. Super comfy.
I reside in "flannel Ontario" and I'm fine with it. :LOL:

Though I've heard good things about Thursday Boots as well.
 
Who remembers the good old Greb work/combat boots? Even worse were the garrison boots.
The "garrison boot" AKA the Bozo the Clown boot, and that bloody daft plastic Canadian Tire "cam" jacket what a HUGE step backwards...........and the summer DEU..............good lord it took a crazy guy in a cave sending a team of fellow nutjobs to fly airliners into buildings to drag the CF into the real world we find ourselves in.
 
I was lucky with all my issued MK3 boots! I was even luckier with my issued Jungle Boots from Clothing Stores in Nicosia, Cyprus! For some strange reason (1VP , PPCLI) , I actually got along well with the MK3 “hockey pucks” until we marched on icy patches and hence, the nickname “ hockey pucks!” LOL

The MK3 boots we brutally hot when I was running ranges at Base Borden so I found a pair of US Army issued black jungle boots from eBay! They were fantastic with my Extended Benefits Plan “orthotics” from the School Board!

These days, I’m loving my LOWA goretex boots for cold weather activities, I bought them from Millbrook Tac in Petawawa. In warmer weather , I bought a pair of Salomon Jungle boots for $200 and change from (now closed) Full Spectrum Gear on Victoria Street not far from Base Petawawa!

Glad as heck there are many, many better choices out there!

Peace Be The Journey!
 
Just wearing my Greb black combat boots couple days ago shovlin snow. Been wearing those type boots 46 years, no problems. Only with icy conditions a better tread years ago was needed. Usually find at Army Surplus Store.
 
So the currently issued black combat boots are no good and people are allowed to purchase "good" boots by thermselves and be reimbursed for them?

Obvious question: why doesn't the supply system supply decent boots that are made in Canada?

A lot of us wore the Greb made combat boots that came out in various styles. I thought the first ones in the 1960s were OK.

The CAF supply system is a government mafia money laundering scam where companies in Quebec pop up into existence a week before a contract gets put out looking for companies to bid on producing item X. The pop up company provides an example of item X to the people in government holding the pen and the money who approve transfer of 10s or 100s of millions of tax dollars. Government clowns who have the power to award the contract have less than zero concept of what a functional piece of equipment would even look like. It's also irrelevant in the end because all that matters is that huge amounts of money are exchanging hands at very high places behind closed doors allowing for inside trading, back door deals and unlimited opportunity for corruption.
Company gets the approval and receives dump trucks of money from government. Company then supplies a clunky ridiculous joke of an item to the CAF which gets thrown into the system and issued out to troops. Charade lasts just long enough to realize product X is dysfunctional, not compatible with other kit, falls apart very quickly, ergonomically retarded etc etc
Kit gets deemed ineffective thus another contract must be drawn up to replace it. Wash rinse repeat.
Case in point the Royer tan boot fiasco, new sleeping bag system, the "Tac Vest".....
I was issued MKIIIs when I got in. In 2006. Wearing a high heeled 50 year old boot with soles as hard as hockey pucks humping 60 lbs of gear in the bush on uneven terrain....in 2006....####ing ridiculous. Then they issued us the GPs or "MK4's".....a clunky loose fitting sock of a boot that was thermal lined so your feet rotted from sweat in the summer and froze rock solid in the winter, literally impossible to dry once they were wet in the field even on 38c days in the sun....
Mukluks.....80 year old boot design for winter warfare which keep your feet warm ish at minus 20 but just DONT get them wet! You know because its a winter warfare boot but it's not waterproof.....don't get THE WINTER WARFARE BOOTS wet....so you can wear them in the field at exactly between minus 10 and minus 20 only lol
All garbage. Zero other option but be forced to wear this junk and all the foot rot and muscular skeletal injuries that came from being forced to wear them.
My trade forced steel toes. Let me tell you if you think you wore the worst boots the CAF ever handed out but never had to wear the GP MK4 steel toes. ####ing things were 6lbs a boot. 3" thick soles that barely flexed after 6 months of wear and gigantic sloppy fit no matter what size you tried. Unbelievable.
If you ever looked up the cost of a pair of any of these items on the supply system you would see $270 a pair....twice the price back then of even a mid range set of Rocky S2Vs
I've been out for a while now but allowing soldiers to purchase their own boots was one of the only supply system decisions that ever even remotely made sense.
The CAF is a below the poverty line under funded ####ing joke army spear headed by corrupt politicians more interested in granting sketchy million dollar contracts so they can embezzle it and the soldiers get left holding the bag.....or the boot I guess you could say.
 
I am wearing Lowa boots and they are excellent
Their only real drawback is the sole, it’s far too hard and becomes very slippery in sub-zero temperatures. I’m on my third pair so far, and each one has lasted about two years. Other than that, they’re the best boots I’ve owned.
 
Their only real drawback is the sole, it’s far too hard and becomes very slippery in sub-zero temperatures. I’m on my third pair so far, and each one has lasted about two years. Other than that, they’re the best boots I’ve owned.
They were lethal on ice.
 
The CAF supply system is a government mafia money laundering scam where companies in Quebec pop up into existence a week before a contract gets put out looking for companies to bid on producing item X. The pop up company provides an example of item X to the people in government holding the pen and the money who approve transfer of 10s or 100s of millions of tax dollars. Government clowns who have the power to award the contract have less than zero concept of what a functional piece of equipment would even look like. It's also irrelevant in the end because all that matters is that huge amounts of money are exchanging hands at very high places behind closed doors allowing for inside trading, back door deals and unlimited opportunity for corruption.
Company gets the approval and receives dump trucks of money from government. Company then supplies a clunky ridiculous joke of an item to the CAF which gets thrown into the system and issued out to troops. Charade lasts just long enough to realize product X is dysfunctional, not compatible with other kit, falls apart very quickly, ergonomically retarded etc etc
Kit gets deemed ineffective thus another contract must be drawn up to replace it. Wash rinse repeat.
Case in point the Royer tan boot fiasco, new sleeping bag system, the "Tac Vest".....
I was issued MKIIIs when I got in. In 2006. Wearing a high heeled 50 year old boot with soles as hard as hockey pucks humping 60 lbs of gear in the bush on uneven terrain....in 2006....####ing ridiculous. Then they issued us the GPs or "MK4's".....a clunky loose fitting sock of a boot that was thermal lined so your feet rotted from sweat in the summer and froze rock solid in the winter, literally impossible to dry once they were wet in the field even on 38c days in the sun....
Mukluks.....80 year old boot design for winter warfare which keep your feet warm ish at minus 20 but just DONT get them wet! You know because its a winter warfare boot but it's not waterproof.....don't get THE WINTER WARFARE BOOTS wet....so you can wear them in the field at exactly between minus 10 and minus 20 only lol
All garbage. Zero other option but be forced to wear this junk and all the foot rot and muscular skeletal injuries that came from being forced to wear them.
My trade forced steel toes. Let me tell you if you think you wore the worst boots the CAF ever handed out but never had to wear the GP MK4 steel toes. ####ing things were 6lbs a boot. 3" thick soles that barely flexed after 6 months of wear and gigantic sloppy fit no matter what size you tried. Unbelievable.
If you ever looked up the cost of a pair of any of these items on the supply system you would see $270 a pair....twice the price back then of even a mid range set of Rocky S2Vs
I've been out for a while now but allowing soldiers to purchase their own boots was one of the only supply system decisions that ever even remotely made sense.
The CAF is a below the poverty line under funded ####ing joke army spear headed by corrupt politicians more interested in granting sketchy million dollar contracts so they can embezzle it and the soldiers get left holding the bag.....or the boot I guess you could say.
You clearly didn’t spend any time in HQ. You have procurement completely wrong.

Kit is specified by predominantly senior NCOs posted to life cycle materiel management jobs in Ottawa.

It has nothing to do with Quebec or corruption or any of the crap you wrote. It has to do with last generation’s soldiers deciding what the next generation needs.

The procurement people don’t buy lowest cost compliant stuff, they don’t favor Quebec suppliers, etc. - they buy what the LCMM says to buy.

That’s why, for example, the C7A2 exists with a ridiculously long and heavy barrel, it’s why the crappy tac vest was bought, etc.

Guys that haven’t been in the field for 20 yrs make these decisions. Just that simple.
 
I'd forgotten the sauna suits, let water in but didn't let it back out.

but the rain gear sort of kept the warmer water in and the colder water out.....

it was not unusual to wear a black garbage bag under the rain coat to try to keep dry.


and yes there is a lot of LCMM and old past retirement SrNCOs that are involved in stupid decisions with getting kit.

PSPC is its own level of hell to deal with.

I have a lovely job that is 70% civ HR and 20% dealing with PSPC, the last 10% is dealing with higher HQ..... but it pays OK.
 
That would explain the rain jackets that weren't waterproof...
With the PFAS bans in place the new ones won't be better, unfortunately.

The current gen was supposed to come with a special detergent that restores the water resistance, but I have yet to see it in person. It explains why they were great when new, but not so great after a few wash cycles.
 
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