Canadian Army Inglis 9mm pistol magazine problems and dirty ammo

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I was watching a short video online, Canadian Army, about Canadian Army shooting team, competing in the US , at Little Rock , Akansas, with other allied countries, Brits, Aussies, Norwegians and US teams, all teams were using the weapons that they are issued, in our case the C7A2 rifle and the older Browning=Inglis 9mm pistol, several team members that the magazine were old and gave issues, also they had a batch of 9mm ammo, that gave problems..stove piping

Are not new mfg magazines available, or is DND not making at least a effort to have better magazines


this video is several years old, it was uploaded to YouTube in Feb 2011

I tried to upload video, but im not having much luck..here is the title on YouTube... CF shooters,gun smiths test skills with allies
 
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In the British Army, I was lucky to get through a mag on a Browning 9 mil without a failure to feed. My drill was to pull back the slide an inch, and seat the stuck round in the mag with my index finger, then slide forward. Rather than eject the round like you were supposed to, since a round on the ground didn't contribute to your score.
This was entirely magazine dependant.
 
Juster said:
In the British Army, I was lucky to get through a mag on a Browning 9 mil without a failure to feed. My drill was to pull back the slide an inch, and seat the stuck round in the mag with my index finger, then slide forward. Rather than eject the round like you were supposed to, since a round on the ground didn't contribute to your score.
This was entirely magazine dependant.
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I believe the British Army is now using the Glock Model 17, this was just a short time ago, so not sure if these weapons are being issued to the troops yet, it mentioned the Norwegians are using the Glock, im not sure what the Aussies are using, US is the Beretta M 9
 
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New magazines are in the system. I find the biggest issue to be when people don't report problems with the mag so they continue to get issued. They're over 70 years old for crying out loud. Replace the spring and you'll be good to go.
 
Leg said:
New magazines are in the system. I find the biggest issue to be when people don't report problems with the mag so they continue to get issued. They're over 70 years old for crying out loud. Replace the spring and you'll be good to go.
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Good to know that new magazines are in the system..i noticed that a good move, by the team shooters, on the video was to put a dab of yellow paint in rear sights, and a dab of orange paint on front sight..
 
Replacing the old magazines with new ones is the best fix, the problem isn't caused by the spring but by the lips of the magazine being out of spec. once the lips are too open or too closed we get nothing but problems feeding. When we are running magazines that have good lips, the Brownings run like champs.
 
Its_a_living said:
Replacing the old magazines with new ones is the best fix, the problem isn't caused by the spring but by the lips of the magazine being out of spec. once the lips are too open or too closed we get nothing but problems feeding. When we are running magazines that have good lips, the Brownings run like champs.
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Its unfortunate that the Army sent our team down to the states with well used mags..one would have thought that would have been resolved in range time back in Canada,..and dirty ammo, i believe General Dynamics supplies small arms ammo to the Canadian Forces..shades of IVI and their crappy quality control
 
x westie said:
I believe the British Army is now using the Glock Model 17, this was just a short time ago, so not sure if these weapons are being issued to the troops yet, it mentioned the Norwegians are using the Glock, im not sure what the Aussies are using, US is the Beretta M 9
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Brits went to the Sig Sauer p226 for a few years after the Browning Hipower ran out of 'shelf life' and have recently (last 18mths) gone to the Glock 17. These are already being used by troops on operations. US are still using the M9 but as we know are going through the trials process for a new sidearm. Not sure what Aussies are using, but i'll reach out to colleagues and find out.
 
The IVI 9mm ammo burns clean in submachine guns which is what it was intended to be used in.

Funny how much cleaner the IVI 9mm Luger ammo (used by the Navy) burns.

IVI builds some of the best ammo I have seen issued to anyone in uniform. The issue is the inability of the organization to recognize that the current 9mm ammunition is optimized for a weapon that was discarded decades ago and move to a round optimized for use in pistols (cleaner and less flash).
 
When I competed on the CF team at Little Rock at AFSAM from '96-'00 I used the browning HP mags available in the CF supply system that where not the old John Inglis ones, but made in Belgium for the Browning HP. Using the old JI mags made you good at your immediate action and stoppage drills, but the Belgium mags made the HP a reliable pistol. That being said I remember a competitor from the navy using his P225 who had a stoppage during competition who was totally shocked as it had never failed for him before. Some of my teammates did not have the new mags from their units and were allowed to borrow an M9 from the National Guard Marksmanship Training Unit (host of AFSAM). These pistols came with a logbook to record the number of rounds for the life of the pistol, IIRC it was about 20,000.
Interesting note about the IVI ammo, the Americans would not allow the use of IVI in their M9 as it was too hot. This means that the ammo allotment shipped from Canada for competition went unfired. We were told that instead of shipping it home we were to expend it and I remember after competition stepping on line with 10 full mags and stepping off with a smoking pistol....good times!!!

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