Not sure what you mean here.
Canadian Army to acquire new multi-calibre sniper weapons
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nickvaselino
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How much of this is actual need or just want, seems like we have to keep up with all the other cool kids, whatever happened to using what you got and mastering it. Of course this is all hypothetical because the process will take 30 years to accomplish, and when they finally decide everybody else will be using laser rifles or living in a liberal no gun utopia.
They're the designated small arms provider, they need to start - or have someone agree to allow them to produce their design.
they just bought 18 f18s superhornets
i mean we can trash them yah, but we got some newish fighters, ailerons built by yours truly.
They haven't ordered them yet, you were building them for Marines.
The plants may be in the US but the parent companies and likely some company HQs are overseas, last i checked. Wasn't trying to start a discussion, simply stating that the money will likely go overseas when all is said and done. I'm from what used to be a GM town, 3 generations of family worked in the plants, cars might be assembled here but the parts are mostly overseas. And I highly doubt US arms manufacturing is any different, money talks....
The real problem is barrel life..... and maybe a little something else as well. But mostly barrel life.
Pretty much the entire fleet is burnt out, some managed to get new barrels put on. Although it was taking close to a year for a rifle to make it back to the field units.
Other rifles have had the barrels set back for various reasons including just being shot out.
The idea of a multi caliber rifle is actually a good one, assuming the manufacturers will deliver them for a fair price. Although we all know they are going to do.....
Previously the military had been looking at a 308 version of the Timberwolf, not a Coyote. They were to be 308's built on Timberwolf actions, with a spacer welded to the back of a coyote mag to fit in the Timberwolf magwell.
Purely a training rifle as the round counts on a basic sniper course would have 338's being burnt out every course or 2. It was never to be an operational rifle, the idea was to get candidates used to the long bolt throw and weight of the 338.
Dumb idea IMO, as I believe it will actually cause guys to short stroke their 338 bolts. Instead of building muscle memory to run the bolt back to the stop, you will learn to stop the bolt as soon as the piece of brass ejects. So on the 338, where a spent case is about the same length as a complete 308 case, it will become easy to learn to stop the bolt stroke there and attempt to feed the next round....
Never mind that, having a single rifle that can literally be a 308 in the morning and 338 in the afternoon on the same range on the same day I believe is actually very much a training benefit. One that could also be a financial benefit if the program is managed properly....
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This. I think that the CADEX KRAKEN, with some tweaking for weight loss, could be a strong contender. A made in Canada solution to a genuine operational and training necessity for our snipers. Wouldn't that be something?
Didnt know about this
Is this the actual one in the link ? For general issue or the multicam wearing folks ?
Well....https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...tic-Sniper-Weapon-C20?p=13542486#post13542486
They are looking to buy a semi auto precision weapon, most likely in 7.62, and they are also looking to buy a multi-caliber bolt action to shoot the same cartridge?
My speculation of what will happen is that, they will have a fleet of these new C21 set up in 7.62 for their "pre-sniper" school or certain shooting phrase of the sniper course. All the old C3 can finally go to the garbage dump. Once people pass that shooting phrase, they will move up to 338)
Teaching people to jump from 5.56 to 338 is a big ( and unnecessarily expensive) learning curve. The 7.62 is really for learning, teaching and initial training.
In operation, why would you want a 308 bolt action while there is a semi auto for your 600m range gate?
They are looking to buy a semi auto precision weapon, most likely in 7.62, and they are also looking to buy a multi-caliber bolt action to shoot the same cartridge?
My speculation of what will happen is that, they will have a fleet of these new C21 set up in 7.62 for their "pre-sniper" school or certain shooting phrase of the sniper course. All the old C3 can finally go to the garbage dump. Once people pass that shooting phrase, they will move up to 338)
Teaching people to jump from 5.56 to 338 is a big ( and unnecessarily expensive) learning curve. The 7.62 is really for learning, teaching and initial training.
In operation, why would you want a 308 bolt action while there is a semi auto for your 600m range gate?
From what I am hearing the CF is going for an off the shelf package it is unlikely that they will travel down the same road as the C14 timber wolf again
I believe the semi will be more of a DMR for use by the spotter, while the multi cal will be a setup where they can start training with the 308, and deploy with something larger as needed, and easily replace shot out 338 barrels. I don`t believe the intent would be to have a 2 person sniper team, deployed to a hostile location with a 308 bolt gun.
None of the multi-cal options will be cheap. Look at the contenders for the American SF units sniper platform contract. The contract required a multiple calibre platform.
Accuracy international psr kit $17,000 ish
Remington psr kit $21,000 ish.
If Canada decides on multi cal, it ain't going to be cheap.
Accuracy international psr kit $17,000 ish
Remington psr kit $21,000 ish.
If Canada decides on multi cal, it ain't going to be cheap.
I'm all for Canadian made. But that is just comparing the rifle cost to the cost of a whole kit. Add two more barrels and a handful of mags and I'm sure the Kraken kit would be a lot closer in price to the other brands. Same for just a rifle comparison:
Kraken: $7.1k
AIAX: $9 k
Not a huge price difference, but I do see your point.
