very true ... most units left the sub calibre devices permanently installed in a select group of rifles. For many years the indoor range at Fort York Armoury had two multi target bays that were separated by a locked barred door. This was to secure the ‘precious’ ‘cine target’ unit ... which was only to be used by qualified personnel .... the bloody thing seldom worked and numerous breakdowns occurred due to some mysterious cable malfunctioning for which replacements could never be obtained .... worthless POS which cut the number of available bays in half. These ranges were subsequently shut due to concerns over lead levels.
Canadian C1/C1A1 Rifle - .22 Conversion Kits
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very true ... most units left the sub calibre devices permanently installed in a select group of rifles. For many years the indoor range at Fort York Armoury had two multi target bays that were separated by a locked barred door. This was to secure the ‘precious’ ‘cine target’ unit ... which was only to be used by qualified personnel .... the bloody thing seldom worked and numerous breakdowns occurred due to some mysterious cable malfunctioning for which replacements could never be obtained .... worthless POS which cut the number of available bays in half. These ranges were subsequently shut due to concerns over lead levels.
stencollector
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I seem to recall a red or yellow band being painted on C1A1s that were dedicated to the .22 inserts. We had some at the artillery unit I used to be attached to. The rifles were all 8L series if I remember correctly.
The C1A1D rifles had a band on them as well, which is why I won't swear what color the 22 rifles had on them.
The C1A1D rifles had a band on them as well, which is why I won't swear what color the 22 rifles had on them.
stencollector
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There was a pistol on the CF Weapons poster described as "Pistol, .22 calibre, Colt Police Target". They were made obsolete in 2007.
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I believe you sir. Watched the ships armourer clean half dozen of them and a H&R break action line throwing gun. I think it was in 44 Magnum but it's been a while.
It was a real bad gunshow, when You could not find something you needed in his show cases, You did not know you needed it before hand, we swapped a lot of guns and B.S. over the years. His wife never missed a show , after she retired. When Jon passed, she said that she missed the traveling to all the show.
I was with him one year in Calgary, never seen that much money change hands as it did at that show. He seemed to know where every good Winchester lived in the country.
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We had the Hotel Kilo ones, some had the magazine weighted to resemble the mass of a full 7.62 one, some did not. Accuracy was 'fair' and could never be much else, given that the front end had to be free to rattle around in the centrefire bore.
I think the Air Force ones at Halton base, which I used several times, had the inserts left in permanently.
I think the Air Force ones at Halton base, which I used several times, had the inserts left in permanently.
I fired probably thousands of rounds out of them on the rifle team two evenings a week, every week, for a couple of years during the winter months when the evenings were too dark to go to the outdoor range on base, or when the range was frozen over. When I used them they were always turned in to stores in the box, separate from the FN rifle, and we used the same regular FNC1A1 rifles that were issued to us in 7.62 for exercises and full-bore range training. It was up to the shooter to remember which kit was "his" kit, so the rifle would remain zeroe'd.
They shot best with the IVI copper-clad .22lr high velocity ammo. Later we stopped getting that and received big wooden crates of Winchester T22 standard velocity. It was not as accurate and I accidentally caused a liner to get seized into the barrel after I unknowingly had a squib load with the Winchester T22.
When the FNC1a1 was retired and replaced by the C7, the unit kept a few FN's for indoor training because the C7 did not have an insert kit. Those FN's were marked with a band of red paint on the handguards, but as far as I recall, the kits were still turned in separate from the rifle.
I also used them at Fort York Armouries. Paul Bauden was our rifle coach. I learned a lot from that man as a young army cadet.
I don’t recall the year that I competed but I won top cadet shot I believe. One of the few times I used the sub cal insert. Normally used Lee Enfield No. 7’s. with my local cadet corps when shooting indoors, or Anshutz. A shame cadets don’t get to use things like that anymore.
