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I dont get it? what makes it fake? it doesnt mufle?
Canadian Edition P22 Fake silencer fit 5" barrel
- Thread starter mickey
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You think you can yell at 150 dB?
sure as the 150db would last for milliseconds and the yell would overlap it at about 90ish db. Isnt the lion the loudest animal living thing with its roar?
BTW, as I know you probably know the answer to this based on your past posts, wouldnt his toy can actually work to reduce the Db of the walther, even if not by intent, there by making it illegal under the law? Stictly due to lengthing the barrel?
The answer to that lies in the wording of our law. I don't have the exact wording in front of me but it includes something to the effect of, "... designed or intended to ..." Thus if the device is claimed as a fake and doesn't include any obvious sound reducing mechanisms, the sound reduction afforded by the lengthened barrel should not cause any legal issues.
Consider the "blooper tubes" commonly used on target rifles. They are threaded metal tubes attached to the muzzle of a rifle. The tube is hollow and has no front cap but they definately reduce the sound signature. The reason they are legal is they are not designed to reduce sound.
Which just reminded me about the "Quiet Shotgun". This is an extended barrel that is ported on the bottom. It has no sound deadening mechanism or structures but the extra long barrel and underside porting disperses the sound so that it is perceived to be much quieter. This thing has been certified to not be a silencer under US law. It looks a bit goofy but it does work ... very well.
http://www.dillerdesign.com/quietgun/index.html
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ajayofcanada
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I'm just tired of fellow firearm owners mocking others, whether they want to dress the gun up or not, what's the difference? If they enjoy it, let them be, it's this "I'm superior" mindset that I'm sick of, people thinking if they see no use in doing such a thing, and anyone who does do it, well they must be stupid,because my way of thinking and my likes and dislikes is obviously superior.
Would it make sense if I said FUDD's are stupid, because if they want meat they should go to Safeway? If they enjoy hunting, let them go hunting, if I want my black rifle to have a fake suppressor, then let it be.
Would it make sense if I said FUDD's are stupid, because if they want meat they should go to Safeway? If they enjoy hunting, let them go hunting, if I want my black rifle to have a fake suppressor, then let it be.
ajay, I disagree. What you see not superior mindset IMHO. It is just knowing better. In our club most people have nothing but plain hunting boomsticks and I with all my black guns am getting a lot of jokes. Quite honestly, most fellow members doubt if I am not criminal on my days off maintaining some dark skills. It was funny a while ago, at the beginning but not anymore. I cannot imagine me bringning fake silencer, that would be beyound stupid. It is stupid enough having 2000-3000$ rifle to kill a deer, I admit it, but fake silencer would bring stupidity to whole new level.
Ok, if you like it - go at it, but consider consequences. You will not be seing your sights anymore. Handgun balance will go out the window and it will be wrong trying to get used to it. It is obvious you will not be working on your shooting skills.
Ok, if you like it - go at it, but consider consequences. You will not be seing your sights anymore. Handgun balance will go out the window and it will be wrong trying to get used to it. It is obvious you will not be working on your shooting skills.
A few years ago we brought an M4gery to the local target shooter's range and someone actually proclaimed it was illegal to bring that rifle to the range. If the thing had a fake silencer on it I could almost guarantee that club member would have called the police regardless of what we told him.
Then you end up trying to explain to the police that the thing is a fake but they take your rifle anyway so that the lab can have a look at it. Then it takes months to get the thing back.
It is a cost / benefit kind of thing. A fake can has little to no benefit but can have a lot of potential cost. That makes it not worthwhile.
Then you end up trying to explain to the police that the thing is a fake but they take your rifle anyway so that the lab can have a look at it. Then it takes months to get the thing back.
It is a cost / benefit kind of thing. A fake can has little to no benefit but can have a lot of potential cost. That makes it not worthwhile.
ajayofcanada
Regular
Some of these FUDDS need an education, if he thought it was illegal, how did you end up owning one? What a goof. People shoot all kinds of firearms at my range, from CZ 858's to AR15's, handguns, and huntng rifles. the response I typically get at the range is stares, then about 1/2 of those same people walk over and ask questions, like how much and can I try it
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- BC, In a Van down by the river!
It's dumb and people don't paint their guns pink. Maybe you're pink and you just don't know it. (not that there's anything wrong with that)
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TheGamerXxX
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- North of the 49, Manitoba
Wow... talk about a lot of haters on a forum that looks for public support towards our sport.
How is a fake supressor different than lets say a side sattle on a shotgun? Or a Flashlight (that most people dont use often), or carrying around 500 rounds of ammo...
All can be perceived to be 'evil' by our friendly Cukier lady... how can we look at others in our sport and say "that's so dumb" and "you shouldn't do it"... is it Legal? YES. That's the end of that discussion. We as a whole dont want to be told what our 'rights' are when it comes to fire-arms... yet at the same time we are more than eager to shoot down somebody because they want to be different, they want to own a different fire-arm, they want to have different tacticool toys, etc etc.
I say if a cop were to challange me, sure he can take my rifle but I better getting it back since It's 100% legal to own. How would that cost me? Unless it was the only fire-arm I owned and needed it tomorrow than yeah it might... but I doubt anybody here (unless starting out) only owns one fire-arm.
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So shouldn't you "know better" not to own a black rifle? I mean you should just conform to what others do in your club because they must be right and you must be 'oh so ever wrong'.
And it's not "knowing better" its a right to have a choice.
If we want support from the Joe Blows... we should start by supporting eachother.
Luke
How is a fake supressor different than lets say a side sattle on a shotgun? Or a Flashlight (that most people dont use often), or carrying around 500 rounds of ammo...
All can be perceived to be 'evil' by our friendly Cukier lady... how can we look at others in our sport and say "that's so dumb" and "you shouldn't do it"... is it Legal? YES. That's the end of that discussion. We as a whole dont want to be told what our 'rights' are when it comes to fire-arms... yet at the same time we are more than eager to shoot down somebody because they want to be different, they want to own a different fire-arm, they want to have different tacticool toys, etc etc.
I say if a cop were to challange me, sure he can take my rifle but I better getting it back since It's 100% legal to own. How would that cost me? Unless it was the only fire-arm I owned and needed it tomorrow than yeah it might... but I doubt anybody here (unless starting out) only owns one fire-arm.
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So shouldn't you "know better" not to own a black rifle? I mean you should just conform to what others do in your club because they must be right and you must be 'oh so ever wrong'.
And it's not "knowing better" its a right to have a choice.
If we want support from the Joe Blows... we should start by supporting eachother.
Luke
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I am utterly disgusted by the comments in this thread. The poster's English has nothing to do with topic at hand.
As for why one would make a fake silencer? The answer is "because we can".
This project is exactly something I would do if I owned a P22. The fake silencer would be extremely simple to make. Personally, I would use an inner tube and an outer tube, as apposed to solid aluminum to save weight. Make the end caps and weld it all together.
Is it legal? Yes.
Will it get you harassed by the police? Maybe.
Will it sell? Probably.
As for why one would make a fake silencer? The answer is "because we can".
This project is exactly something I would do if I owned a P22. The fake silencer would be extremely simple to make. Personally, I would use an inner tube and an outer tube, as apposed to solid aluminum to save weight. Make the end caps and weld it all together.
Is it legal? Yes.
Will it get you harassed by the police? Maybe.
Will it sell? Probably.
Well, I have absolutley no experience with this sort of thing, but I would think, that to have an absolutely legal fake silencer, it would have to be made from solid stock aluminim. The only thing hollow being the chambering from which with round would pass through, in effect it would be more a barrel extension. HOwever, I would also think the weight of a solid tube of aluminum would cause gun to not cycle??
According my solid modeling software, a 6 inch long aluminum bar with a diameter of 1.5 inches and a 1/4 inch hole through the center would weigh about 1 pound.
Two 1/8 thick wall tubes with aluminum puck end caps would be around 1/2 a pound.
Two 1/8 thick wall tubes with aluminum puck end caps would be around 1/2 a pound.
If the cops take it and claim it is a working silencer, how do you show they are wrong? If you can't then it could cost you quite a lot.
My argument against fake silencers is based on cost-benefit. There is very little benefit at a potential huge cost. Thus they don't make any sense.
