Canadian Forces are finally getting a new sidearm

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Done_Swimmin

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Hi All

I just read in my Legion magazine that the legislative hurdles that have held up the replacement of the Browning Hi Power have been removed and there will be a selection process undertaken for a new sidearm. I wonder what plan they have for the existing inventory of Hi Powers. I can't see the Liberals allowing any sell off of the asset. Likely dump them in a Hamilton smelter? Is there any precedent for disposal of CF firearms? What did they do with the old SMLE's? Anyone know or remember?
 
Done_Swimmin said:
Hi All

I just read in my Legion magazine that the legislative hurdles that have held up the replacement of the Browning Hi Power have been removed and there will be a selection process undertaken for a new sidearm. I wonder what plan they have for the existing inventory of Hi Powers. I can't see the Liberals allowing any sell off of the asset. Likely dump them in a Hamilton smelter? Is there any precedent for disposal of CF firearms? What did they do with the old SMLE's? Anyone know or remember?
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Some of the Lee-Enfields were largely gifted to the Canadian Rangers who were already in possession of them and "issued" their new rifle. There are other Lee-Enfields that remain floating in inventory within the Canadian Army.

The Inglis Browning Hi-Power will likely be disposed/destroyed due to any potential liability concerns. If by some magical wonder they are sold to on as GC Surplus on Buy/Sell it would likely be en masse to a firearms distributor who can re-sell rather than directly to individual Canadians (the GC doesn't have time or desire to do individual processing/validation). In any case, the FN Browning Hi-Power is a fine pistol if that is your thing, but the Inglis one is left to be desired...
 
Like the SMGs and FNs, there will be several hundred set aside for museum collections and trophies. The rest will be shredded or poured into the crucible. Same principles as when the towed 155s, the APCs, the Leopards, the Lynxes and LAVs came out of service. It is a wink and a nod to historic preservation, but not something that will sit well with the rest of us.
 
Here's the next announcement we can expect from the GOV & Colt Canada;

Colt Canada awarded 70 million dollar contract to produce 20,000 Colt Canada striker fired pistols;

1) Unit cost: It includes previous years of extensive R&D, prototypes, trials, publication of CFTO's, procurement of specialized equipment required for manufacturing these units (plus that equipment will be used in the future for other products), training for both soldiers and Techs, parts & tooling (which was hugely important-The CAF has a bad habit of buying things and no tooling, parts or training to support it). There's so much more into this then just the "unit cost per pistol". And to those of you saying "I have basically the same thing" sorry, no you don't. This is a completely new design from the ground up. Barrels, slides, frames, all different and new. I can attest that this is not a run of the mill striker fired pistol, it's in a class of it's own. There's a few good options out there, but we can pretty much assume that, as well as all other projects in the works for weapons replacement, are collectively and indefinitely on hold now due to COVID spending.
 
Sassybee said:
They legally can't sell to the public, same for LE agencies.
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That's a fact. A sick fact, but a fact nonetheless.

Disposal of Firearms

15 (1) Before a public service agency disposes of a firearm, the agency shall offer the firearm to the chief firearms officer of the province in which the firearm is stored or to the Commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, for destruction or for any scientific, research or educational purpose, or for preservation as a historical firearm.

(2) If the offer referred to in subsection (1) is refused, the public service agency may only dispose of the firearm by having it destroyed.

SOR/2004-265, s. 11.


<https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-203/page-3.html#h-1019439>
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Public Agents Firearms Regulations (SOR/98-203)
<https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-203/index.html>
 
Surprised Castro's son didn't give the contract to Norinco and save some tax dollars.
 
There is one impending change that makes this much more interesting - the CZ purchase of Colt's assets. We now have a major pistol maker who will be willing to share their TDP with Colt Canada, because they own Colt Canada. Interesting development.
 
mildot said:
Here's the next announcement we can expect from the GOV & Colt Canada;

Colt Canada awarded 70 million dollar contract to produce 20,000 Colt Canada striker fired pistols;

1) Unit cost: It includes previous years of extensive R&D, prototypes, trials, publication of CFTO's, procurement of specialized equipment required for manufacturing these units (plus that equipment will be used in the future for other products), training for both soldiers and Techs, parts & tooling (which was hugely important-The CAF has a bad habit of buying things and no tooling, parts or training to support it). There's so much more into this then just the "unit cost per pistol". And to those of you saying "I have basically the same thing" sorry, no you don't. This is a completely new design from the ground up. Barrels, slides, frames, all different and new. I can attest that this is not a run of the mill striker fired pistol, it's in a class of it's own. There's a few good options out there, but we can pretty much assume that, as well as all other projects in the works for weapons replacement, are collectively and indefinitely on hold now due to COVID spending.
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Yea, but, the main reason for them to reinvent the wheel is that it is very hard to get kickbacks to the slushfund from an off the shelf rig, but all the items you mentioned that need to be done are very hard to follow up on to see where the money really went!
A country our size with a military our size doesn't need or can afford a custom Made sidearm!
 
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