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Canadian Infantry in battle with the 12th SS
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The ban was for forum guideline violations.
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In general I enjoy a good debate, but nothing of the sort existed in this case.
Based on his posts in this thread and in others, his "opinions" went well beyond ignorance or willful blindness. The implications and subtext are clear.
Freedom of speech is a right we enjoy in Canadian society (with some limits, i.e. Hate Speech laws) but this is a privately owned site with terms and conditions associated with the free membership.
Offensive, toxic and inflammatory behavior should be dealt with accordingly to ensure that the forum remains a useful, productive and enjoyable community in which to participate.
Brutus
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Yes. Not once did Waffen actually answer anyone who countered his opinion. A real debate is a two way street. With adversaries countering each other, on the basis of true facts. Into the ban pile with another WW2 revisionist, along with his/her trolling posts.
Ideologies aside on who did what and what occurred 65 plus years ago.
we can agree that millions and millions of people died
I guess we can agree that both sides, AXIS and ALLIES did some killing just and unjust, some in the heat of battle and in cold calculating fashion in which the laws of society would call murder
Nuff said
we can agree that millions and millions of people died
I guess we can agree that both sides, AXIS and ALLIES did some killing just and unjust, some in the heat of battle and in cold calculating fashion in which the laws of society would call murder
Nuff said
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So the attack on Poland didn't happen? BULL####!
Next you are going to justify the Konzentrationlagers as necessary?
And it was NOT ONLY jews they sent to the gas chambers!
England declared war because they were not about to kiss that austrian bastards ass!
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x2 what he said ......
student of history
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The crimes committed by the SS and Nazi sympathizers during the Second World War were/are utterly inexcusable...the events which transpired during that time really are the darkest which humanity has ever seen. While 99% of the SS was made up of fanatical war criminals, (like others in this thread have pointed out) there were some who did not necessarily share the views of the group.
I've actually met a man who served in the Waffen SS and I had the opportunity to talk to him about his experience in the war. He told me that when he was 18 years old (in 1944) he was sent a letter by the Nazi Government telling him that he had to serve his mandatory military service. When in line, he was poached by SS officials (because of his physical appearance) and was effectively forced to comply... let's just say that if you turned down the SS's invitation it wouldn't turn out well for you, or your family for that matter.
After that, he promptly surrendered to the first Allied Soldiers he saw (during the Battle of the Bulge) without firing a shot. He then spent the rest of the war in a POW camp crying himself to sleep wishing he was back at home with his mother and younger brothers.
The only reason I bring this up is because some people seam to believe that every single German soldier was some kind of despicable war criminal. Terrible acts were carried out by soldiers on both sides of the conflict. I had family members who were killed by the Nazis but it's been 67 years, sooner or later we need to forgive and just move on with our lives as best as we can.
I've actually met a man who served in the Waffen SS and I had the opportunity to talk to him about his experience in the war. He told me that when he was 18 years old (in 1944) he was sent a letter by the Nazi Government telling him that he had to serve his mandatory military service. When in line, he was poached by SS officials (because of his physical appearance) and was effectively forced to comply... let's just say that if you turned down the SS's invitation it wouldn't turn out well for you, or your family for that matter.
After that, he promptly surrendered to the first Allied Soldiers he saw (during the Battle of the Bulge) without firing a shot. He then spent the rest of the war in a POW camp crying himself to sleep wishing he was back at home with his mother and younger brothers.
The only reason I bring this up is because some people seam to believe that every single German soldier was some kind of despicable war criminal. Terrible acts were carried out by soldiers on both sides of the conflict. I had family members who were killed by the Nazis but it's been 67 years, sooner or later we need to forgive and just move on with our lives as best as we can.
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Quote one person on this thread that has said these words?
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Forgive, yes. I can {my grandparents never could}. Forget...Never!!
Nazi's need not sign on to CGN(.) read period!!
Nazi's need not sign on to CGN(.) read period!!
I'm not sure exactly what he meant, but it could be that he meant in general, and not on the forum per se. There are... were... many people from that era who developed a real hatred of German people, even Canadians of German descent, without regard for their individual political views. People who develop intense prejudices tend not to be the sort to be very understanding of other people's perspectives.
I grew up in a community with that has a large number of Mennonites, including Russian Mennonites who were harshly persecuted under Communist rule. So when Germany invaded in 1941, they saw the German people as their liberators. Some of these people, although not Nazis, may have occasionally spoken favorably of the German invasion, and of Hitler even. Mainly because of what they endured under Stalin. To them, Hitler was the lesser of the two evils. Even many German nationals felt a rekindled sense of national pride when Hitler began to defy the western nations in the years leading up to WWII. So they might make reference to how they felt about Hitler then, at that time. You could probably understand that if they expressed their views to the wrong person, they might easily be labelled 'Nazis' or 'Nazi sympathizers', even if they weren't. It's quite possible he was making reference to that sort of prejudice in general, and not specifically to people here.
student of history
CGN Regular
Exactly what I was getting at, thanks for clearing it up.
No should blame the millions of Soviet citizens, aka "prisoners" who saw the Germans as liberators. After what the communist state did to them who could expect anything else. Stalin and his cronies certainly didn't! If the Germans/Nazis had not been such stupid racists bent on genocide, but had offered the "Soviet peoples" the prospect of some genuine self-determination, the Soviet regime would have collapsed in 1941/42.
As for the Mennonites, the ones here in Canada wearing swastika pins under their lapels, drilling with wooden rifles and holding celebratory dinners after Nazi victories had no such excuse.
As for the Mennonites, the ones here in Canada wearing swastika pins under their lapels, drilling with wooden rifles and holding celebratory dinners after Nazi victories had no such excuse.
Well, having lived in a community with them, I can honestly say I have never been witness to anything like that. Not saying that it didn't happen.
When the Germans invaded the Ukraine they were seen as liberators but within months the oppression they inflicted on Ukrainians ruined any chance of forming a common cause with the Ukrainian people. Hitler and his henchmen missed a golden opportunity to acquire valuable allies against Soviet Russia.
Aren't Mennonites, like Quaker's, "conscience objectors" toward violence against a fellow human being? I do believe that's why they came to North America in the first place. The thought of them holding celebratory dinners after any military victory quite frankly has me scratching my head.
Its completely understandable that people should be angry about the stuff the Nazis did. I just hope they remember that the Nazis manipulated people through fomenting fear and hatred. So if people let their anti-Nazi fears and hatred run away with their better sensibilities, they could easily fall into the same trap the Nazis employed on the German people. IMO, reason and understanding are what best represent an anti-Nazi sentiment, not more fear & hatred.
Perhaps not everyone who is a "conscientious objector" really objects because of their conscience? Self-preservation is a pretty strong impulse as well. I can think of one or two other religious group who took the same line in Canada in WWII. Happy to enjoy the benefits of freedom, but not so happy to risk life and limp preserving same. Or even helping on the battlefield to preserve the lives of those who were willing to risk theirs.
I have names, dates, places, many specifics. No need to repeat them here. Anyone who wants to investigate the matter can.
Sometimes race and ethnicity trumps other allegiances. I think we've seen some of that in this thread already.
