Canadian IPSC Classification System

And just because I was curious, here is what you would get if you rescale the results in the following divisions to the top Canadian having 100%. This results in something much closes to a normal distribution of errors. Again, Revolver is too small and probably does not have enough ICS class history to be meaningful.

Open Division:
- 45 out of 66 competitors classified
- Top Canadian scaled to 100.00%
- 1 competitor scored 3 classes above their class
- 2 competitors scored 2 classes above their class
- 10 competitors scored 1 class above their class
- 22 competitors scored within their class
- 9 competitors scored 1 class below their class
- 1 competitor scored 2 classes below their class
49% within their class, 91% within plus or minus 1 class, 98% within plus or minus 2 classes, 100% within plus or minus 3 classes

Production Division:
- 38 out of 70 competitors classified
- Top Canadian scaled to 100.00%
- 1 competitor scored 2 classes above their class
- 8 competitors scored 1 class above their class
- 19 competitors scored within their class
- 6 competitors scored 1 class below their class
- 4 competitors scored 2 classes below their class
50% within their class, 87% within plus or minus 1 class, 100% within plus or minus 2 classes

Revolver Division:
- 6 out of 11 competitors classified
- Top Canadian scaled to 100.00%
- 1 competitor scored 4 classes above their class
- 1 competitor scored 2 classes above their class
- 1 competitor scored 1 class above their class
- 1 competitor scored within their class
- 2 competitors scored 1 class below their class
17% within their class, 67% within plus or minus 1 class, 83% within plus or minus 2 classes, 100% within plus or minus 4 classes
 
Quigley said:
:rolleyes:
says the guy who has never done stats for a Major match...
Once you've done just a single one...feel free to tell me how this all works ;)
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Craig, you must be mistaken me for someone else. It was you who telling me how ICS works. Anyways, I don't need to do any match stats in order to know that. But feel free to feel more important if that makes you happy. I just interacted with ICS at the level you haven't. That is. :cool:
 
Here's a crazy but simple Idea. How about you get your classification by attending at least 2 Nationals to get a classification, and if you are going out of country, use ICS.
 
Quigley said:
The fact is...no one is submitting updated ICS stages. Very odd in Ontario considering the ICS stages are the same ones we currently use for the Ontario system.

If Ontario members registered an Alias, paid $3 to the MD's putting on Ontario Classifiers and asked those MD's to also submit the results to ICS...the data would actually get updated.
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That is why they don't in most cases I think. The $3 fee plus dues to IPSC Ontario makes some clubs decide not to, after all most shooters only shoot IPSC in their home province. Yes there are the few that shoot internationally or live on a provincial border but they are the minority. I know that is why we decided not to submit them.

I guess the option is to charge the fee to only those that want the results submitted but then again nobody wants to do the extra work either. If the powers that be really want it used make it free just like we did in Ontario. Otherwise it is a pain in the a$$ and may come across as a cash grab.
 
Slavex said:
As well the whole idea is flawed as people can either sandbag or grandbag depending on their intentions.
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This is why adding ICS stages within a match is useful. Only really gamey shooters will sandbag an ICS stage within a match, and it every match has at least 1 ICS stage then they can't pick and choose the time to 'blow it'.

I think level III's should be entered as 'classifier matches' at the provincial level. Yes, not every province has a GM in attendance at level III's but over time the data might all settle out.

In the end I think that the analysis by Mr Fritz shows that the current system actually works pretty well. Thanks for crunching those numbers! :cheers:
 
MrFritz, thanks for the analysis. I always appreciate it when data is related to the bell curve. It seems that the ICS system is fairly representative on the whole; one would have to "keep an eye" on the "minus outliers" to see if they are "repeat offenders".
 
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you think getting classified in IPSC is challenging,...try getting a USPSA classification when there is no club for 5 hours, and they only hold them once or twice a year.
NOw my wife is planning a trip in the opposite direction of where I need to go to get my USPSA classification.....argh...*rant off*
 
This is an interesting post. I used to shoot competetive trap but due to an injury just can't anymore. They also use a classification system, A,B,C,D based on past scores. The number of sandbaggers in the singles and handicap events was unreal.

I was a D class shooter, almost a C and I would always be competing with guys who just one season or less ago were shooting B or higher. You would always here " well I had a couple of bad runs this year...." This usually happenned at the bigger events.

So for me to win my class I would have to pull off a score that was 7 + higher than my average. It was frustrating. Sure the idea is that if you don't miss you will win but it seemed so unfair. I would shoot a 93/100 ( which was good for me and good for D class )and wouldn't even come close to winning. Then if this continued I would move up, without ever winning a thing. ??

Same in handicap. Guys would always be applying for yard reduction and then shoot unreal winning the big trophies and money.

I want to get into IPSC and was wondering if these things happen in the sport and I guess I know the answer now. Not sure how to make it better.
 
...I think Grandbagging is the real problem in IPSC...and it's really not much of a problem. If a...ahem..."Master" Class shooter wants to finish 35th overall at a Level3 with a 65%...have at it. Sandbagging would be an issue if there were prizes or money involved...and in Canada there isn't.

No one is intentionally sandbagging...in fact, most of the shooters at the match that tanked their past ICS stages and were ranked too low...declared a higher Class (which IPSC Canada allows)

The issue is a lack of any new ICS data. Now one is putting on ICS Classifiers...and it is the method by which we class competitors at the Nationals.
 
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