Canadian LEGAL 223 Remington, thirty round capacity mags

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Not too long from now… I just spoke with Dlask Arms. Mags will be made by well-known manufacturer. They will be imported for their PAC-5, AR stile, 223 Rem, pump action rifle that is registered by CFC as thirty round carbine. Can’t wait…:D
 
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No where does this thread say these mags will fit the AR-15, only Dlask's AR "style" pump, which, last I checked with them, must use special proprietary mags that will not work in an AR.
 
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As posted elsewhere.
Questar said:
The information I have on this topic came from RCMP's Classification Section and they specifically stated the following:

... This discussion does not apply to differing action types within the RIFLE class of firearms - a magazine for a pump action rifle if interchangeable with a semi-automatic rifle will be permitted at a capacity of five shots or less.

They were very specific about this and clearly stated that even if the magazine was designed for a pump action rifle, it it is interchangeable with a semi-auto rifle it will be limited to 5 round capacity. I cannot give you their legal basis for making that decision but that was their ruling as of 60 days ago.

Mark
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Halger280HVMag said:
As posted elsewhere.
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five shots OR LESS??? HA, HA, HA, or less? And that statement comes from RCMP? I doubt it!!! Seems to me that someone here does not want this to happen. Competition???
 
Paloma Blanco said:
five shots OR LESS??? HA, HA, HA, or less? And that statement comes from RCMP? I doubt it!!! Seems to me that someone here does not want this to happen. Competition???
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Yes sir... that statement is an EXACT QUOTATION from a written communication sent to me by the RCMP's Classification Section... just as I stated. Be very careful when you suggest that I am not telling the truth or that I'm playing games... you obviously don't know me or know anything about me. I am fully prepared to backup my statements...

I have over 1 year of written communication from the CFC and RCMP on these issues... if you care to put your money where your mouth is I'll be happy to provide you with the written evidence that what I stated is absolutely a true quotation from the RCMP.... and I'll be happy to take your money and donate it to the Gunnutz forum! Shall we say $1,000.00?

Your suggestion that I don't want this to happen because I view it as "competition" is your opinion and everyone's entitlted to their opinions... but your suggestion that my original posting was false and that I lied when I said the statement was made by the RCMP's Classification Section... that's simply baseless and insulting.

Mark
 
The Beretta CX4 carbine has magazines restricted to 5 rounds. However, I am told, it also takes Beretta 92 pistol magazines which take legally 10 rounds. Go figure...
 
Someone's going to get a time out soon.

five shots OR LESS??? HA, HA, HA, or less? And that statement comes from RCMP? I doubt it!!! Seems to me that someone here does not want this to happen. Competition???
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CanAm said:
No where does this thread say these mags will fit the AR-15, only Dlask's AR "style" pump, which, last I checked with them, must use special proprietary mags that will not work in an AR.
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That's it exactly. While AR mags will fit in the Dlask PAC-5, the proprietary Dlask magazine cannot fit into an AR. They will only fit Dlask's pump.

I talked to Joe a couple weeks ago. He's had interest in the PAC-5 in other parts of the world (I think some US states and Australia) where people want an AR type gun, but there are restrictions on owning semi-auto rifles.

I say good on him, and I hope his idea takes off over there. I think it's stupid that a product invented and manufactured here in Canada gets the shaft at home by being classed as restricted. It's apparently the only restricted pump action rifle in the history of firearms in this country.

By the way I've handed the gun (but not live fired it). It is well built and the pump is quite comfortable and not as loose as other pump forends. But to have something you could only take to the range doesn't do it for me.

Now I'm wondering if you could take a non-restricted Remington 7615P and permanently modify the magwell to take the Dlask magazine.
 
Is the Dalsk pump indeed restricted? Considered an AR varient? Sorry I don't know...I know the Remmy one is not. Please let me know as this rifle would really be a handy tool with proper mag capacity. I have no probs with the fact it is a pump...I am looking for a nice light Carbine with a decent mag capacity in a varmint caliber. My Swiss Arms is awesome but would get put on the EE if I could use an AR 'style' rifle with proper mags in the field.

This is very interesting news indeed!
 
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Paloma Blanco said:
five shots OR LESS??? HA, HA, HA, or less? And that statement comes from RCMP? I doubt it!!! Seems to me that someone here does not want this to happen. Competition???
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You sir need to keep your shyte wired tight. Mr. Questar(Mark) knows exactly what he's talking about. Seeing as how Questar negotiated 10 round legal mags for AR's I'm sure he is fully aware of what can and CANNOT be done with regards to this topic. Oh, and Questar is a very popular and respected contributing enterprise here on CGN.

Just a friendly reminder to watch who you pick your fights with....


TDC
 
Alright! Finally...a thread that has some entertainment value. :)

Getting 10rd pistol mags into AR rifles was a nice perk. Anything higher...well, that's just greedy and I dont see it happening unless someone develops a .223 rimfire cartridge.

I wonder what the R&D cost on that project would be?
 
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You sir need to keep your shyte wired tight. Mr. Questar(Mark) knows exactly what he's talking about. Seeing as how Questar negotiated 10 round legal mags for AR's I'm sure he is fully aware of what can and CANNOT be done with regards to this topic. Oh, and Questar is a very popular and respected contributing enterprise here on CGN.Just a friendly reminder to watch who you pick your fights with....


TDC
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x2 , my money's on Questar... anything that could have been made would have been made by them.

I dug this from Dlask site (notice the highlighted key-word):

Features:
# Pump Action Carbine
# Chambered for Military 5.56 and .223 Remington
# Proprietary 20 or 30 rd. magazines
# Accepts standard AR-15 magazines (must still be pinned to 5 rds.)
# Custom barrel lengths available (14.5" barrel shown)
# Class: Restricted
# Made in Canada

I have to say that if it was non-restricted I would have one, but being restricted, I'd rather have a 10rds AR...
 
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Wolverine was gonna try this but they were trying to get AR style mags for the Remington pump. So if the Mags won't fit in the AR there should be no problem.

And its a damn shame the bastards restricted that rifle

Posted By Mr Wolverine

We were in the process of importing 1,000 30 rd mags specially prepared for us, designed for the Remington 7615P pump action rifle. Unfortunately we have decided to cancel this plan after recieving the following letter from the Canadian Firearms Registry.




Canadian Firearms Registry
Canada Firearms Centre
50 O’Connor St., 10th Floor
Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1M6

Registre canadien des armes à feu
Centre des armes à feu Canada
50, rue O’Connor, 10ième étage
Ottawa (Ontario) K1A 1M6



Mr. John HipwellWolverine SuppliesNE 5-11-25 PO Box 729Virden, ManitobaCanada R0M 2C0 File # 2006-FTU-001910Friday, May 05, 2006


Mr. Hipwell

Thank you for your recent request with regard to using Remington 7615P magazines in semi-automatic rifles within Canada.
In your correspondence, you partially quoted the Criminal Code Part III, S. 84 Part 4 Prohibited Devices, Former Cartridge Magazine Control Regulations which states the prohibited device as:
Any cartridge magazine that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in
a. A semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada,
b. A semi-automatic firearm other that a semi-automatic handgun.
The Remington 7615P rifle, in calibre .223 Remington/ 5.56 NATO utilizes a magazine well adapter, which specifically permits the use of M16/AR15 style magazines, and is promoted by Remington as having this capability. Therefore, the magazine is subject to the five (5) round limits as applied to semi-automatic rifles, despite being deployed in a pump rifle within Canada.
Further, the existence of a magazine of the type used in the M16/AR15, and now the Remington 7615P, with a capability of containing more than five (5) rounds in Canada is in direct contravention to the Criminal Code.
In direct response to your inquiry about the legality of using a thirty (30) round magazine intended for use in the Remington 7615P in the M16/AR15 semi-auto rifle, I am obliged to inform you that is contrary to the Criminal Code for the reasons explained above.
Trusting this response discloses the information required in denying your request, I remain
Sincerely,



George Fraser
A/Manager
Firearms Technical Analysis Section
Canadian Firearms Registry
Tel (613) 993-0038
Fax (877)699-4928
Email: george.fraser@cfc-cafc.gc.ca
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