Canadian legal PDW-type guns that aren't short barreled AR's?

I've owned or tried the RONI, KPOS, Hera GLOCK conversion, BRS-99, Beretta CX4, Brugger & Thomet TP9, HK USC, real UMP, real MP7, FN PS90, and the 9mm AR-15 and some others. I think I have videos of all of those on my channel. I like the 9mm AR a lot. I know your title says "that AREN'T short barreled ARs", but the platform is worth considering. No matter what, you can't get an MP5 (that you can shoot/take to the range), so you have to look at the alternatives. Any near/look-a-like MP5 (like the FAMAE) is going to be a 5 round gun. Pistol calibre + 5 rounds = pretty dissatisfying in my book. Much more so than rifle calibre semis for some reason.

This is a 7.5" barrel RRA "pistol" (marked as "pistol" and "9mm NATO") with 10/32 round mags (which are extremely hard to obtain at this point). It's a lot of fun and has always worked flawlessly. A lot of people have had problems with their 9mm AR's, including me in years past, but if you can get the good mags you won't have problems. The 5-round mag guns are a bit of a drag, however, if I were going to buy something else pistol calibre I would consider a USC, as they are fun. The TP9 seems to "spring"/"dooooing" in my ear really bad. BRS-99 is fun. Also very accurate. The conversions of GLOCK pistols... I prefer to keep my pistols as pistols.

 
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I own the following PDW-type guns, any of which I'd recommend:

- XCR Micro 7.62x39 (pure awesomeness)
- CSA Vz58 11.5" 7.62x39 (also awesome)
- CSA Vz58 7.5" 7.62x39 (not as reliable as the 11.5" - some feeding issues, but still nice)
- Mini SAF 9mm (awesome, but limited to 5rds)
 
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I might get the finger waved at me for this one, but I almost bought a Kriss, I did A LOT of reading on them, and sadly, at the end of the day, being semi auto makes them not even close to worth that price tag for me . The reason they are so "Amazing" And all that is because in full auto mode, their recoil in regards to the rate of fire ARE amazing, when you take that factor out of the situation, its just a REALLY expensive .45 . (All just my opinion)

If you are looking into the JR carbine, I have heard nothing but great things about their 9 mm, and lots of bad about their .45 (Which is good, as the 9 mm take G17 mags)
 
THE_SASQUATCH said:
Don't forget Phoenix BXP if considering BRS 99, etc.

They float around the EE once in a blue moon

Or there's that .32 acp scorpion
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Scorpion is fun, but sadly suffers from the 5 round BS....

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So what excatly makes a semi-auto firearm a PDW? Dose the barrel have to be a certin length, or is it just OAL?

If its just OAL I'd say the Tavor hands down. My friend has a Noveski with a 10.5" barrel. With the stock fully collapsed its less than a inch shorter than my non-restricted Tavor. If the stock is out to where you'd be comfortable shooting, its considerably longer. That and the ballistics are far more superior out of a barrel 8" inches longer. The way I see it, it's a win win.

Plus you can go strait to 10 round mags. Even more if you have a .50 Beowolf mag.
 
I am surprised no one has mentioned the FN P90 - the original response to the NATO PDW requirement.

The original NATO PDW called for a weapon to arm the support troops and vehicle crews, that can penetrate CRISAT ( a NATO simulation of the Russian armour made of kevlar and titanium plates) out to 150m.

Before FN 90 and later the HK MP7 PDW became available, HK kinda made the "PDW" moniker famous in the 90's when they released the MP5 PDW for US air crews, eseentially a MP5K with a folding Choate made stock.

So basicly, a PDW is something you tug under the seat and pull it out when the truck starts burning ( or you are being attacked by rabid dogs while washing the truck), as envisioned by NATO.
 
Check out tactical imports for the BRS 99. I've been able to make decent groupings at 50 m with iron sights, but the new ones come with a rail for optics. And at the lowest price of all the options listed, save for the scorpion, I think it's a winner. Plus it's 9mm. Comes with a decent holster, four mags, and a drop leg mag pouch.
 
greentips said:
I am surprised no one has mentioned the FN P90 - the original response to the NATO PDW requirement.

The original NATO PDW called for a weapon to arm the support troops and vehicle crews, that can penetrate CRISAT ( a NATO simulation of the Russian armour made of kevlar and titanium plates) out to 150m.

Before FN 90 and later the HK MP7 PDW became available, HK kinda made the "PDW" moniker famous in the 90's when they released the MP5 PDW for US air crews, eseentially a MP5K with a folding Choate made stock.

So basicly, a PDW is something you tug under the seat and pull it out when the truck starts burning ( or you are being attacked by rabid dogs while washing the truck), as envisioned by NATO.
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I mentioned it at the beginning of the thread. A guy at my range had one a few years ago with the short barrel, and it was pretty slick.
 
The P90 is definitely a unique beast.

Ammo isn't as much of an issue here as it is in the USA, but its not as plentiful as .223 or 9mm

US PS90 and Five-Seven owners were talking about a class action against FN for selling them paperweights when they knew ammunition was scarce to none in some states.
 
TV-PressPass said:
Hasn't someone done a NR PS90 conversion too? Not sure you can really still call it a PDW at that point, but being able to hike in the bush with one is fairly desirable. Herron Arms?
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Ian has done it; could only find one picture on his website though. SS barrel sticks out like a sore thumb IMO, but a slick NR nonetheless.
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http://www.herronarms.ca/project-photos.php
 
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