Canadian made "black" rifle

Coffice said:
I would contribute to this. I'm literally at the point of putting an add out for an AR180b I can build off of at this point. Been waiting on my restricted card for a while now, and I mostly collect milsurps so the 180b as a piece of rifle developmental history fits my collection better then a go-fast AR or what have you.
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I'm not sure what you mean by build off of but there really isn't anything you can do to an AR180B other than add a crappy quadrail and an AR stock if your willing to hack up your lower receiver.
I'm hoping CA's 180 project will change that. If I'm lucky enough to beta test the lower and then if they do an upper and I end up being a tester for that which would give me a free complete rifle I'm pretty sure I'd still buy another complete production rifle. Don't worry, I'd wait to order one for a while so guys without one could have one before I have three. I'm a nice guy like that, lol.

My 180B is about to get an ALG ACT nickel boron trigger, it's in the toolbox just waiting for me to get motivated. I have one of these triggers in an AR and love it, it's a nice single stage.
 
cr5 said:
I'm not sure what you mean by build off of but there really isn't anything you can do to an AR180B other than add a crappy quadrail and an AR stock if your willing to hack up your lower receiver.
I'm hoping CA's 180 project will change that. If I'm lucky enough to beta test the lower and then if they do an upper and I end up being a tester for that which would give me a free complete rifle I'm pretty sure I'd still buy another complete production rifle. Don't worry, I'd wait to order one for a while so guys without one could have one before I have three. I'm a nice guy like that, lol.

My 180B is about to get an ALG ACT nickel boron trigger, it's in the toolbox just waiting for me to get motivated. I have one of these triggers in an AR and love it, it's a nice single stage.
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The AR180b strayed in the right direction with bad execution is the best way I can describe it. They were close but they mucked up a truly ingenious design (the AR18/AR180)
The actual AR180 is what we need. Just with the 180b AR15 FCG and Magazine compatibility concept put into it. Keep it all stamped sheet metal upper and lower. Dump the eject port cover and keep the AR180b style cocking handle for cost saving, AR15 fire control group and magazines and you have a knock out money maker as long as it's reliable with any ammo.

I'm a just leave these guys laying out here for while :D

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With today's modern CNC machining, I feel like you could execute an improved version of that design for barely more than stamped metal wpuld cost.
 
Longarm9 said:
With today's modern CNC machining, I feel like you could execute an improved version of that design for barely more than stamped metal wpuld cost.
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i agree, Esp if you already have a CNC machine. Getting the tooling made for stamping the parts would be expensive than if you already had the CNC machine.
 
Travis Bickle said:
The AR180b strayed in the right direction with bad execution is the best way I can describe it. They were close but they mucked up a truly ingenious design (the AR18/AR180)
The actual AR180 is what we need. Just with the 180b AR15 FCG and Magazine compatibility concept put into it. Keep it all stamped sheet metal upper and lower. Dump the eject port cover and keep the AR180b style cocking handle for cost saving, AR15 fire control group and magazines and you have a knock out money maker as long as it's reliable with any ammo.

I'm a just leave these guys laying out here for while :D

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That looks straight out of fallout only I’m hoping it’s straight outta lowcash. That’s where I’m living these days. When you gotta stop living up here and start living down here In povertyville. We demand our quality yet low prices !
 
cr5 said:
I'm not sure what you mean by build off of but there really isn't anything you can do to an AR180B other than add a crappy quadrail and an AR stock if your willing to hack up your lower receiver.
I'm hoping CA's 180 project will change that. If I'm lucky enough to beta test the lower and then if they do an upper and I end up being a tester for that which would give me a free complete rifle I'm pretty sure I'd still buy another complete production rifle. Don't worry, I'd wait to order one for a while so guys without one could have one before I have three. I'm a nice guy like that, lol.

My 180B is about to get an ALG ACT nickel boron trigger, it's in the toolbox just waiting for me to get motivated. I have one of these triggers in an AR and love it, it's a nice single stage.
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I'd use one of the new SPUD lowers if possible, or Can Am's production unit, for starters. It seems to me the 180b is entering a Renaissance period of accessory production which is why I want to jump on it now.
 
Coffice said:
I'd use one of the new SPUD lowers if possible, or Can Am's production unit, for starters. It seems to me the 180b is entering a Renaissance period of accessory production which is why I want to jump on it now.
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The Spud lower does nothing but add cost and weight to a rifle unless you have a prohib rifle you can add your upper to. Other than that unless you have a broken polymer 180B lower it's nothing but weight and money. I'm hoping CA's lower is stage one and an upper is stage two. Then a complete rifle is option 3 followed by parts compatible with AR180B-2 rifles availability bringing the 180 back into being an affordable viable option in the Canadian non restricted marketplace.
Just remember, these are not ever going to be sub moa precision rifles, keep your expectations realistic and the AR180B is a great rifle.
 
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The forward slant on the cocking handle is because it functions as a brass deflector, the upward bend is, as someone else said, so the operator can reach over the top to release the bolt when reloading or loading with the action locked back.
 
It's been DONE! My buddy just mad a rifle that got a FRT for NR and uses ALL AR 15 parts. everything from the muzzle break to the buttstock. and it's multi caliber. it's a real AR 15 that's NR. Keep your eyes peeled CGN.
 
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It's been DONE! My buddy just mad a rifle that got a FRT for NR and uses ALL AR 15 parts. everything from the muzzle break to the buttstock. and it's multi caliber. it's a real AR 15 that's NR. Keep your eyes peeled CGN.
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You're late, there is allready a thread a dozen pages plus on the Macabee SLR. What remains to be seen is how much complete rifles will cost, and if they will be smart enough to offer them a reciever sets to be outfitted by the owner to their own specs, allowing them to be built as high end or low end as the owner sees fit.
 
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onetwentyish said:
You're late, there is allready a thread a dozen pages plus on the Macabee SLR. What remains to be seen is how much complete rifles will cost, and if they will be smart enough to offer them a reciever sets to be outfitted by the owner to their own specs, allowing them to be built as high end or low end as the owner sees fit.
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I haven't seen any threads on it, you got a link?. I was told pricing but not going to say anything. it's going to be a good go. But yea I understand about the outfitting you're saying.
 
UCSPanther said:
I personally like the idea of "Quasi-black" hunting rifle that resembles either a Valmet Hunter or a VEPR Pioneer. AK actions are out, but there are some mish-mash designs that we could chose from.
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Personally I agree with this. A VEPR, PSL, SVD kind of rifle that doesn't resemble any AK like internals. I would be all over that.
 
Adjustable gas piston, semi-auto, caliber convertible-quick barrel change, single optic on a fixed chassis, take down, STANAG/pistol mag fed, Geissele adjustable trigger with CARBON FIBRE EVERYTHING. With a an eye to the World market, NOT just the Canadian market. The rifles sold overseas could subsidize the cost of the rifles sold in Canada and therefore be offered to Canadians at a reduced rate...
 
Journeyman.ca said:
Adjustable gas piston, semi-auto, caliber convertible-quick barrel change, single optic on a fixed chassis, take down, STANAG/pistol mag fed, Geissele adjustable trigger with CARBON FIBRE EVERYTHING. With a an eye to the World market, NOT just the Canadian market. The rifles sold overseas could subsidize the cost of the rifles sold in Canada and therefore be offered to Canadians at a reduced rate...
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That line of thinking didnt go over so well the last time...
 
cr5 said:
The Spud lower does nothing but add cost and weight to a rifle unless you have a prohib rifle you can add your upper to. Other than that unless you have a broken polymer 180B lower it's nothing but weight and money. I'm hoping CA's lower is stage one and an upper is stage two. Then a complete rifle is option 3 followed by parts compatible with AR180B-2 rifles availability bringing the 180 back into being an affordable viable option in the Canadian non restricted marketplace.
Just remember, these are not ever going to be sub moa precision rifles, keep your expectations realistic and the AR180B is a great rifle.
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I 100% preffer non-polymer lowers in any chance I get, just a preference.

After that, grips and stock are easily changed out using that lower but I actually really like the normal AR180b sets so that may just send up staying. I like having the option, but that doesn't mean I'll use it. On the flip side, I think you are right in that seeing a new production upper within a reasonable price range to mate with the lowers folks are offering would be the best all-round choice, but without a timeline it's hard to say when we'll see it come together.

As for the MOA business I don't even pay attention to that stuff unless it's in the bottom 1% of unacceptable. Too many folks like to use stats and figures like some sort of honour badge...reminds me of how cars changed once everyone became obsessed with Nurburgring lap times: every sports car had to set a good lap time regardless of what it did to the cars actual drivability for day to day activities and the MSRP.
 
Coffice said:
I 100% preffer non-polymer lowers in any chance I get, just a preference.

After that, grips and stock are easily changed out using that lower but I actually really like the normal AR180b sets so that may just send up staying. I like having the option, but that doesn't mean I'll use it. On the flip side, I think you are right in that seeing a new production upper within a reasonable price range to mate with the lowers folks are offering would be the best all-round choice, but without a timeline it's hard to say when we'll see it come together.

As for the MOA business I don't even pay attention to that stuff unless it's in the bottom 1% of unacceptable. Too many folks like to use stats and figures like some sort of honour badge...reminds me of how cars changed once everyone became obsessed with Nurburgring lap times: every sports car had to set a good lap time regardless of what it did to the cars actual drivability for day to day activities and the MSRP.
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I understand wanting a non-polymer lower, just making a point in case you are one of the guys who read that the polymer lower on the 180 is a ticking time bomb that is about to fail any second now. Plenty of modern rifles use polymer extensively in their construction and it is not a problem.
I prefer aluminum as well but I carry and shoot my 180B without any worry about it failing at the hinge-pin.

I'd only be guessing on a timeline for the upper but as far as I know the lower has only been in the works for a year or two, the upper should be easier since it's not the serialized part. My guess would be that once they have a lower in production and selling the upper will be a year behind it hopefully making it three options at that time (upper/lower/full rifle).

Yes, society has been brainwashed to think that unless a car is fast it's no good. This is why even minivan advertising always mentions it has 300+ horse and they come with 18 inch rims with low profile tires. Ya, lots of minivan racing out there on the streets, it's becoming a real problem. All that crap does is reduce reliability and increase operating costs now that tires cost twice as much just to look cooler.
 
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