Canadian Rimfire Precision Series - launching in 2018

Mystic Precision said:
I am definitely going to try to make it for Aug... being it is in my backyard. When you get some match details and contacts, please let me know (pm or email). Happy to help get the word out.

Congrats on pushing this through as I truly am excited about how this can get more shooters into this sport without a huge investment.

wrt to scopes, I totally get what you are suggesting and I hope that you can find useable optics at the price point you suggest. Look forward to your testing.

rugbydave, unfortunately with our crappy dollar, the Talos is above the $500 level.

FYI, the Athlon Talos BTR is $610... The Argos BTR is $720. Both will offer ALL the features commonly required in PRS type optics. I am sure other brands like Nikon, Burris, Vortex and Bushnell have suitable offerings at similar price points.

Just scanning prices of Cabelas site, the Savage TR is about as good as you can get for an off the shelf rimfire for production... listed at $600.

Based on what I see for listed pricing... consider raising the scope price limit to $800.... production rifle to $600 (assuming the dollar doesn't tank too much). Now a shooter can get a set up that will work, doesn't need to chase upgrades and has warranty support in case things go wrong. YMMV...

All the best with launching this series...

Jerry
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I'm looking forward to shooting this game, and I know that right out of the gate i will be in open division, I have a Savage Mark II in a laminate stock, was $600 + new. I got a custom cheek piece and buttstock done, so I could get better alignment behind the scope, that was worth $$ so I'm in open division not a problem, and the scope, a Sightron STAC 3-16x42 @ $700 before tax. Based on my experiences, cheap scopes just don't work well for a long time, however maybe the minimal recoil of a .22 could mitigate a lot of failures of less expensive scopes, so maybe $500 is a good price point/value...

Maybe the cutoff should be based on more realistic CDN$$ values and reality due to the exchange rates we deal with. I'm not complaining, just a thought. I totally understand keeping the cost low so more people can get out and shoot. I choose to spend towards the higher end, based on my experience and desire to have nice guns and optics. In optics especially, you do get what you pay for.

Hope to see you at the matches, sounds like a great challenge and lots of fun.
 
Don't forget about the "newish" Burris XTR Sig rings... these allow for 40moa of cant. Built like tanks, well priced.

Some rimfires have canted rails.... for those that don't, this might get the job done.

Jerry
 
I really like the focus on providing an entry level option for beginner/budget shooters! A couple of questions on the production category. First, is there a specific reference used for the MSRP in Canadian dollars? I tried looking it up for my current 22, but I can’t find it. What about manufacturers who set their MSRP in US dollars, and let the Canadian price float with the exchange rate? Does the budget for optics include rails, rings, etc, or is that allowed outside of the $500? Have you considered posting a list of “production approved” rifles and scopes?
 
The anticipated Ruger Precision Rimfire is $600cad, out in a month or so. I assume this will not be apart of the production category?
 
Just had a look at the ballistics program for .22 target ammunition to 350m. 60+ minutes.
I have a 1962 BRNO Model 4 that I bought used back in the '80s for less than $200. And a vintage T series steel tubed Weaver that was $125 used. Would they qualify as production? Only ever fired them back to 200m - and that was challenging.
How many ranges could host these matches? Backstops, steel plates, shrouds and CFOs?
 
Rye_one said:
I really like the focus on providing an entry level option for beginner/budget shooters! A couple of questions on the production category. First, is there a specific reference used for the MSRP in Canadian dollars? I tried looking it up for my current 22, but I can’t find it. What about manufacturers who set their MSRP in US dollars, and let the Canadian price float with the exchange rate? Does the budget for optics include rails, rings, etc, or is that allowed outside of the $500? Have you considered posting a list of “production approved” rifles and scopes?
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Rye,
We use a few online Canadian retailers to figure out the MSRP. The only one that really causes issues is the Savage MK II line. A few models are out of the price range - BTVSS, SR, TRR. Most of the other rifles are well enough away from the $500 limit. We'll try to put a basic list together but the series just started and we're putting a bunch of other docs together. PM me or email us at info@rimfireprecision.ca and we can tell you exactly where your rifle ends up. If you are looking for a new rifle, you can't go wrong with a Savage MKII - FV. A lot of the Open shooters do very well with this rifle and its under $300. I bought mine at Bullseye London a few weeks ago for $279. There is a separate $500 budget for optics. The base and rings aren't really counted in the total. So you have a $1000 budget for an production rifle/optics split 50/50.
 
tiriaq said:
Just had a look at the ballistics program for .22 target ammunition to 350m. 60+ minutes.
I have a 1962 BRNO Model 4 that I bought used back in the '80s for less than $200. And a vintage T series steel tubed Weaver that was $125 used. Would they qualify as production? Only ever fired them back to 200m - and that was challenging.
How many ranges could host these matches? Backstops, steel plates, shrouds and CFOs?
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tiriaq,
The long distance stages will be limited to one or two per match at the most and will be generous in size. Most shooters will have to add 20 - 40 MOA to their platforms to get the full elevation if they don't want to hold but its easy enough to hold for the few stages. To qualify in the Production budget we would have to see what the equivalent cost is in today's dollars if its no longer available. We don't want to get to wrapped up in the rules but it wouldn't be fair to put Anshutz 54 actions purchased a few decades ago against current models purchased at the same dollar amount. We'd love to see the BRNO on the line but the T-series weaver might hold you back at distance.
With respect to matches and ranges, at the moment we are scheduling the events at Canadian Forces Bases whenever possible and operate under club rules that govern use of steel. We will also have matches on private property in municipalities that allow rimfire use. We are also fully insured to ensure we're covered for any incidents that may occur. Our events in the west are being held at the same ranges that hold centerfire PRS matches and are already used to steel use and the regs we need to comply with. We had a test match this past weekend and had a great time testing our stages and the shooters. Wind reading and adjustment will be the deciding factor after shooter fundamentals.
Our next match is currently schedule at CFB Valcartier on April 29. We are working on a couple of matches in western ontario for late march/early april. The event in Alberta is planned at Taber Shooting Foundation and the BC match will be in Merritt, BC at Nicola Valley Gun Club, both in August.
Rick
 
How about $675? Reason being everything is based on USD and $499 is a big price/performance threshold there.


Mystic Precision said:
Fantastic news.

The biggest issue I see with production is that the price cap may be too restrictive with optics that have the features a shooter wants AND function properly with reliable tracking AND the adjustment range to reach out as far as the course of fire demands. Not a whole lot in the $500 range that is going to stand up to the rigors of this type of game... and scope failure will be a huge bummer for those who want to join.

My suggestion is the raise to $1200.... and $1499 being ideal. I get that the entire point of the cost cap is to stop the arms race and budget pressures this sport imposes but I just don't see scopes that inexpensive ($500 new) holding up... and I am not a fan of "cheapbay" offshore optics as an option.

Can the stock be replaced or modified? Many rimfires aren't proportioned for adults. Some clarification on the cost for the rifle would be helpful.

YMMV.

Jerry
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THIS^^^^ Been doing a lot of looking into what scopes I can get for under $500 Canadian, and it doesn't really match up well with what you can get in USD.

peacefrog said:
I'm looking forward to shooting this game, and I know that right out of the gate i will be in open division, I have a Savage Mark II in a laminate stock, was $600 + new. I got a custom cheek piece and buttstock done, so I could get better alignment behind the scope, that was worth $$ so I'm in open division not a problem, and the scope, a Sightron STAC 3-16x42 @ $700 before tax. Based on my experiences, cheap scopes just don't work well for a long time, however maybe the minimal recoil of a .22 could mitigate a lot of failures of less expensive scopes, so maybe $500 is a good price point/value...

Maybe the cutoff should be based on more realistic CDN$$ values and reality due to the exchange rates we deal with. I'm not complaining, just a thought. I totally understand keeping the cost low so more people can get out and shoot. I choose to spend towards the higher end, based on my experience and desire to have nice guns and optics. In optics especially, you do get what you pay for.

Hope to see you at the matches, sounds like a great challenge and lots of fun.
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docscoutjr said:
THIS^^^^ Been doing a lot of looking into what scopes I can get for under $500 Canadian, and it doesn't really match up well with what you can get in USD.
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The limit is set for this year and we're getting some good results. There are MANY rifles and MANY scopes under the limit that will perform very well. Its about creating a class that allows a huge number of shooters to feel that they can be competitive in without feeling pressure to "upgrade" their gear or "outgunned" by other competitors. In our last competition the 3rd overall winner was a stock savage Mk II in a plastic stock with a 3-9x scope and duplex reticle. There are many scopes under $300 that work well enough for Production Division. A 3-9x scope will be more than enough for the generous target sizes at 300m. Again the goal is to get folks out of their basements/living rooms and out to a match with the basic gear most Canadians can afford. So far, its working.
At this time we feel the limits work well enough to meet that goal.
 
Looking forward to shooting this match for the first time.

I don’t get some of the angst on the dollar limit for the production class.
At least for me, at the end of the day you are shooting against yourself.
Everyone shoots the same course of fire. So you’ll be able to see how your score stacks up against the experienced shooters with the high end dedicated rigs or the newbies with the budget rifles and glass.
Worst case I guess if your set up falls somewhere in between you might miss out on a medal or something.

Hopefully no one is discouraged from coming out and participating no matter what class they end up in.
 
Fair enough, and indeed target size is a very important factor. I think some of the angst is reading 300m shots, but if I understand correctly the target is 30" tall!!



Rickster66 said:
The limit is set for this year and we're getting some good results. There are MANY rifles and MANY scopes under the limit that will perform very well. Its about creating a class that allows a huge number of shooters to feel that they can be competitive in without feeling pressure to "upgrade" their gear or "outgunned" by other competitors. In our last competition the 3rd overall winner was a stock savage Mk II in a plastic stock with a 3-9x scope and duplex reticle. There are many scopes under $300 that work well enough for Production Division. A 3-9x scope will be more than enough for the generous target sizes at 300m. Again the goal is to get folks out of their basements/living rooms and out to a match with the basic gear most Canadians can afford. So far, its working.
At this time we feel the limits work well enough to meet that goal.
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