Canadian Rimfire Precision Series - launching in 2018

I went on bookface last night and asked and this was their response.

Patrick our June match will be taking place at CFB Petawawa instead of the Kawartha lakes region. Scheduling issues on our end did not allow for the dates to work. We are working on alternate dates for later in the year.
 
Rick has done it again! GREAT match today in Petawawa with 10 challenging and fun stages. A ton of new shooters out having a blast with this new to Canada style shooting. If you are looking for an inexpensive way to get into PRS shooting this is a great solution. Is also great as training for the experienced shooter that want to get more match time in closer to home.
Thanks to all the ROs and volunteers for coming out! With out you guys this would not happen. Also thanks to all the sponsors that contribute to the series, it makes for an amazing prize table.

Cheers
Ryan
 
Just want to echo Ryan’s comments from last night. Fantastic event, very well organized and a great way to spend a day. The format is perfect for introducing new shooters to the sport.

Huge thank you to Rick, the rest of the organizers, the volunteers, the Petawawa Gun Club and of course the sponsors.

My wife is wondering why I’m so excited about a signed copy of a Bryan Litz book. Ha!
 
Awesome shoot in Petawawa yesterday! It was my first PRS shoot of any kind and it was very humbling and eye opening for a guy who does the majority of his shooting on his belly. A special thank you to the special lady who was our sentry for the day and spent the entire day by herself, she protected me from the bear while I visited the Johnny on the spot so I could...well you know!
 
Thanks to Rick, all of the volunteers, the Petawawa Gun Club, Eley and the rest of the sponsors for making this match happen.
Smoothly run and well organized, definitely a huge effort was required.
Also thanks to Ryan and the other experienced shooters for sharing their knowledge and helping us newbies.

Hopefully you can get another one or two matches in Ontario this season.
 
So how do we prove that things cost less than what they are supposed to cost?

Mystic says the Savage Mark II TR costs $600 new. I bought mine used for $400 three years ago. What happens if I buy a 475$ rifle this year, and next year the same rifle is listed for 525 because of inflation and a weaker Can dollar?

IS this mostly honour system, or was this scrutinized closely?

Even with a 20 MOA rail my bushnell AR optics scope can't get to 350 m without a little bit of "Minute-of-maybe" hold off, so I am not too worried about being super competitive. Just want to make sure I can compete with what I have without being accused of anything unscrupulous.
 
And lastly, what ranges actually hold open practice for precision rimfire not connected specifically to a match.

Been looking at all the ranges in my area and it seems like outside of a match my opportunities to learn are limited.
 
Cameron SS said:
So how do we prove that things cost less than what they are supposed to cost?

Mystic says the Savage Mark II TR costs $600 new. I bought mine used for $400 three years ago. What happens if I buy a 475$ rifle this year, and next year the same rifle is listed for 525 because of inflation and a weaker Can dollar?

IS this mostly honour system, or was this scrutinized closely?

Even with a 20 MOA rail my bushnell AR optics scope can't get to 350 m without a little bit of "Minute-of-maybe" hold off, so I am not too worried about being super competitive. Just want to make sure I can compete with what I have without being accused of anything unscrupulous.
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At the match in Pet it was on the honour system for the production class.

I didn’t have enough elevation adjustment on my scope either (max distance was 300m) , I thought I had my holdovers calculated using the BDC reticle , but it didn’t work out for me at all.
I’ve switched to a Bushnell 10x that has more elevation adjustment and I hopefully with a 20moa rail be able to reach 300 m .

Match atmosphere was friendly with the experienced shooters willing to give advice during the match.
Also note the open division shooters have no limitations on support bags,
Production shooter can only use one bag no bigger than 1 gallon size
 
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For those in BC looking to try this style of match, there is going to be a match in Merritt on Aug 12.

PM or email and I can offer contact info.. facebook CRPS is likely best way to get connected.

If there are shooters in the OK valley that want to get together, please contact me.

See you there.

Jerry
 
Cameron SS said:
So how do we prove that things cost less than what they are supposed to cost?

Mystic says the Savage Mark II TR costs $600 new. I bought mine used for $400 three years ago. What happens if I buy a 475$ rifle this year, and next year the same rifle is listed for 525 because of inflation and a weaker Can dollar?

IS this mostly honour system, or was this scrutinized closely?

Even with a 20 MOA rail my bushnell AR optics scope can't get to 350 m without a little bit of "Minute-of-maybe" hold off, so I am not too worried about being super competitive. Just want to make sure I can compete with what I have without being accused of anything unscrupulous.
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I would like to see a list of rifles that are eligible for production class (similar to the IPSC Production list), where a lot of these cost questions would be put to bed. I've heard lots of points brought up about "my rifle was sub-$500 when I bought it 10yrs ago, and I have the receipt to prove it"...which is entirely valid, but also muddies the waters with what is approved and what isn't.

I think that post-finale in Sept during the winter off-season, we could do a thread where guys can suggest all the rifles they would like to see on the list, which will be vetted by the CRPS executive, and a formal list published. Once the base list is published, new rifles can be added on a regular basis as theyre released. Optics on the other hand may be more of a challenge, but could be done in a similar fashion.
 
chrisward3 said:
I would like to see a list of rifles that are eligible for production class (similar to the IPSC Production list), where a lot of these cost questions would be put to bed. I've heard lots of points brought up about "my rifle was sub-$500 when I bought it 10yrs ago, and I have the receipt to prove it"...which is entirely valid, but also muddies the waters with what is approved and what isn't.

I think that post-finale in Sept during the winter off-season, we could do a thread where guys can suggest all the rifles they would like to see on the list, which will be vetted by the CRPS executive, and a formal list published. Once the base list is published, new rifles can be added on a regular basis as theyre released. Optics on the other hand may be more of a challenge, but could be done in a similar fashion.
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as luck would have it they have produced a list of production rifles that are approved.

http://rimfireprecision.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/CRPS-Production-Rifle-List-2018.pdf.pdf

Unfortunately, My Savage Mark II TR that I set up specifically for PRS isn't on the list, despite being basically the same barreled action as all the other Mark IIs. Sigh.
 
If shooters stay with the game, they will move to Open pretty quick. With the cost limits, it will not take much of a change in gear to go open.

I just went straight to open so I can get a stock and optics that do what I want and save any frustration... in the long run, I will save money.

Jerry
 
I think if we all consider the true reason for production, things will become easier to accept. Production Division was designed to let your new shooter try out precision shooting competitions without getting caught up in an arms race. The goal is to help folks with a limited budget get out and have fun. The cutoff was not arbitrary, we considered the "normal" rifles new shooters would be buying and specifically identified rifles that had a competitive advantage due to a laminated stock, chassis or modifications that created a stiffer platform. The MSRP of the typical Production class rifles are also usually a few hundred dollars below the cutoff. Used rifle prices are also not reliable as we all occasionally get deals. Again, the goal is to create a protected division that allows more new shooters to participate, not penalize folks who like good equipment. Few will argue that a CZ455 is the same as a synthetic stock Savage MK II. A Savage TR is also a few steps above a stock Savage. If you are "building a rifle" for PRS then most likely you have aspirations above Production and will choose gear accordingly.
It is also important to note that Production class shooters do very well in the overall standings, with a few usually placing in the top 5 overall. I get that people get frustrated when they get "bumped" into Open but let's all remember that this is all about having fun and ringing still. More often than not, the difference between the top and bottom shooters is rarely rifle but shooter. WTF is important. Wind, Trajectory and Fundamentals will win the day. Feel free to send me an email at rick@rimfireprecision.ca or PM if you'd like to discuss this in greater detail.
Rick
 
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