Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I beg to differ, 2" should be worth a minimum of 100fps in .308, perhaps even 150fps. The .308 is like any other cartridge and is not indifferent to barrel length- longer is better.
Canadian Version of the Ruger M77 Gunsite Scout Rifle Rant
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I beg to differ, 2" should be worth a minimum of 100fps in .308, perhaps even 150fps. The .308 is like any other cartridge and is not indifferent to barrel length- longer is better.
That's what she said. 
- dan
- dan
We can help it out in the look department if you want.........We can Arma-Coat Blacken the rifle two ways, 1. we can chemically blacken the Stainless, so it has a matte black appearance or 2. We can arma-coat the rifle matte black with the arma-coat coating. Either way you have a completely rust proof firearm that looks more like it should. I have a few extra scouts that should be in right away and I am going to Chemically blacken them all.As for the flash hider the one pictured below looked good with the vortex, I could still live with out it. I personally think the black finish when applied to this gun makes it closely resemble the american model and you kind of forget about the flashhider being gone.. But you guys tell me what you think?
That's what she said.
Ba-dum-tish
But I also prefer the Canadian version, longer barrel and no flash hider? Yes, please. Just works better for some, I guess.
BigUglyMan
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I suppose if you're shooting at night a flash hider might make some sense. Personally, if I had to shoot the American version I would make sure it was at night. That thing is too damned ugly.
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BigUglyMan
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Bartell.
I like both versions. I think the American version would be very handy to carry. The Canadian very would be a great hunting/bush/truck gun. I see the utility in both.
The flash hidder I could do without for this type of gun but I wouldn't call it a deal breaker.
The flash hidder I could do without for this type of gun but I wouldn't call it a deal breaker.
My guess is a silencer/suppressor, I only wish.
I wonder who is going to rebarrel to 338 Fed first? COudl be fun.
If you are changing the caliber the Canadian version should be 358 Win IMHO.
mudgunner49
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Winner!!!
WRONG. .308 is not like other cartridges and longer is NOT always better.
FACT: a 24" lightweight barrel will NOT necessarily be more accurate, than a 16" medium or heavy barrel. There's more barrel "whip" (vibrations) in longer, thinner barrels. Therefore longer is NOT always better. BTW, take your 24" thin barrel and cut it down to 18 or 16", and you've just made it stronger and less prone to that "whip" and therefore MORE accurate.
Regarding velocity, there is on average only 20 fps (+/-) loss per 1" of barrel length with a .308. Average .308 Muzzle Velocities (MV) are between 2500 - 2900fps (standard loads). Therefore, as Chuck Hawks states:
"For rifles with muzzle velocities in the 2501-3000 fps range, the change in velocity for each 1" change in barrel length is 20 fps."
Magnum calibers or calibers with higher inherent velocities have a bit more loss in velocity per 1" of barrel loss.
"For rifles with muzzle velocities in the 3001-3500 fps range, the change in velocity for each 1" change in barrel length is 30 fps.
For rifles with muzzle velocities in the 3501-4000 fps range, the change in velocity for each 1" change in barrel length is 40 fps. "
"According to Gurney, who reports having routinely engaged steel targets as far out as 1,000 yards during testing, the .308 Win. cartridge is one of the least “sensitive” to reduced barrel length." (taken from the first link below)
http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/ruger-gunsite-scout-review-2/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFhM0NHsYLk (check out around the 39 second mark)
http://www.tacticaloperations.com/SWATbarrel/
http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_barrel.htm
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Ruger GSR
Some of the accuracy reports being posted (by competent riflemen) on various sites are impressive, which supports that short barrel firearms being inacurate is a myth.
Ed Head, and instructor at Gunsite states the following:
"...I have completed accuracy testing with 6 different loads (5 consecutive 5 shot groups...etc.). With most of the hunting loads the average is in the 1.5 to 2 inch range but with both Remington and Federal match my rifle is a 1 incher at 100 yards. Getting off the bench and using a bipod I got 1.5 inch groups at 200 and 2.5 inch groups at 300...under 1 MOA, with the match ammo. So, yes, this rifle is absolutely effective inside the 300 yard envelope, and, I would think, beyond."
http://michaelbane.########.com/2010/12/ruger-scout-rifle.html
Some of the accuracy reports being posted (by competent riflemen) on various sites are impressive, which supports that short barrel firearms being inacurate is a myth.
Ed Head, and instructor at Gunsite states the following:
"...I have completed accuracy testing with 6 different loads (5 consecutive 5 shot groups...etc.). With most of the hunting loads the average is in the 1.5 to 2 inch range but with both Remington and Federal match my rifle is a 1 incher at 100 yards. Getting off the bench and using a bipod I got 1.5 inch groups at 200 and 2.5 inch groups at 300...under 1 MOA, with the match ammo. So, yes, this rifle is absolutely effective inside the 300 yard envelope, and, I would think, beyond."
http://michaelbane.########.com/2010/12/ruger-scout-rifle.html
That's interesting - I have dealt with BGC before.
What changes do they make? Putting a muzzle cap in place of the flash hider is good enough? Because if they have to lengthen the barrel the price goes through the roof.
Isn't it just the logo and the flash hider that is the export issue and not the length of the barrel? If that's the case, they can send me one right now! No, seriously.. can someone look into this?
we'll see what mississaugagunnut has to report. Might be the threading... it seems to change depending on what agent processes the paperwork.
Its not just Canada that gets the civilanised version! Ruger had a stand at DSE last year and they can only export the flash eliminator model to military and Police contracts. Something that came out in conversation. They do however thread cut all muzzles for the UK market as standard so we can fit our evil sound moderators.
I crawled all over it but I dont like the plastic trigger guard. Apparently according to the Ruger rep all M77 will be detachable box mags from this year in new production!
I crawled all over it but I dont like the plastic trigger guard. Apparently according to the Ruger rep all M77 will be detachable box mags from this year in new production!
