Canadians can say goodbye to the Scar 16s

Tarn said:
Mark, do you think that this strangle any more DPMS LR-308' from being exported?
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DPMS has been so backlogged that getting 308's from them the past couple of years has been next to impossible... that's been the big problem with DPMS.

I don't believe we have anymore export permits for DPMS 308's and given the tightening at State Department it may be difficult to get new export permits approved... my guess is that some DPMS 308's, those with muzzle breaks (not flash hiders) and fixed stocks (not collapsible) would be approved for export. That of course assumes that DPMS can actually deliver rifles in a timely manner which the past while they cannot.

Mark
 
Yea I was surprised that Questar had 5.56 marked LMT uppers in 10.5" barrels I'm very pleased with mine :) According the gun shop rumours I've heard this shouldn't exist. State Department seems to flip flop more than Michael Ignatieff.
 
nestle said:
So, could you respond to the possibility of sourcing these rifles from Belgium?
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Respond how? Anything is possible but until I have specific information what do you want me to say? I have repeatedly told people that it's pointless talking about what "might be" or what "could be".

When we know something specific (accurate) we'll post that info... until then it would be pointless for me to say anything.

Besides... it's kind of funny watching people start all these rumours and spread them around.

Mark
 
I heard from Tim @ questar that Mark is secretly employed by the US state dept, and informs them of all members who enquire about sourcing out weapons overseas. It's just what I heard. His denial of this is an obvious affirmation, as we don't have the security clearance for him to discuss it.
 
5440fight said:
I heard from Tim @ questar that Mark is secretly employed by the US state dept, and informs them of all members who enquire about sourcing out weapons overseas. It's just what I heard. His denial of this is an obvious affirmation, as we don't have the security clearance for him to discuss it.
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Keep up the good work Questar :D
 
Haven't we had problems with pbr-streetgang before? The locked "Black rifle pics" thread? Interesting that there are two pbr streetgang and pbr-streetgang on the membership. Hey mods, are these the same guy? I notice that pbr-streetgang has no posts in the last 36 months. Duplicate registration maybe (and thus not necessarily a banishing offence)?
 
Questar said:
I have literally seen two permits processed on same day where one was approved and the other was denied
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I've seen (or heard I suppose) this happen too, back when Bushmaster had a direct export dept. you could deal with directly there was a woman who worked there and I used to order stuff from them and she would say to me: "I got one of these turned down yesterday but yours was approved." Or similar, on a regular basis.

This is why whenever someone asks about getting an export licence in the legal section or elsewhere I tell people to phone the PMDDTC directly and ask, things change daily there, it's the only way of finding out. No-one on this forum or outside the State Dept. will ever be able to tell you accurately.

I even know a guy who actually drafted regulations that related to the AECA, he had a meeting with the State Dept. and they discussed at length how it was going to work. When they actually implemented it, it bore virtually no relationship to what he had drafted or how they had discussed implementing it.

The only one I think is not going to change is the ban on exports of stuff chambered in 5.56mm NATO and 7.62mm NATO as that is a stupid UN disarmament office rule they're following and other countries are doing it. Unless the UN changes their minds, that one won't change. Be careful when travelling internationally with anything in those calibres, it applies to private individuals moving their own guns too, IATA has issued advisories to airlines about it. Ditto for ammo. I know TR shooters in the UK who have already had problems because of it.
 
This sucks in general, although the one thing that popped to mind, and that someone else pointed out in this thread, is that I (we) thought these rifles were coming from Belgium, making the US irrelevant. Whats the deal with getting FN directly from Belgium?
 
Last time I looked R. Nicholls was the FN person for Canada...

FNMI and FNH moved heaven and hell for the Mk16S, I would assume that the Cdn distributor propely motivated (read a thousand or so guns) would do it.
 
Questar said:
Respond how? Anything is possible but until I have specific information what do you want me to say? I have repeatedly told people that it's pointless talking about what "might be" or what "could be".

When we know something specific (accurate) we'll post that info... until then it would be pointless for me to say anything.

Besides... it's kind of funny watching people start all these rumours and spread them around.

Mark
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Might not be worth your time. I did some research about importing PS90's and FS2000's from Belgium... Everything is made in belgium except for the reeiver. The semi-auto reciever is made in the U.S.. I bet that the same is true for the SCAR16S.

That also might also explain the discolouration of the SCAR16s recievers versus the SCAR L recievers.
 
7.65 Para said:
Might not be worth your time. I did some research about importing PS90's and FS2000's from Belgium... Everything is made in belgium except for the reeiver. The semi-auto reciever is made in the U.S.. I bet that the same is true for the SCAR16S.

That also might also explain the discolouration of the SCAR16s recievers versus the SCAR L recievers.
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Dude, I sat down and had a beer with one of the guys from FNMI in S.C. The gun is made in Belgium
It comes into the US in a compliant config, and is re-dressed in S.C.

Ken Hackathorn, Larry Vickers and I sat around LAV's den discussing this issue, and how FN really did that right.
 
Does FNMI plan on manufacturing it? I would assume there is a clause that if they ordered more they would eventually have to start making them in the USA.
 
KevinB said:
If SOCOM adopts it...

I am pretty sure SCAR-L is now fully dead in that community, and SCAR-H is the only thing going forward.
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I like the SCAR-H SSR. With a 20" barrel it would sell well in Canada. Longer railed gun furthest from the camera in this picture:

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pbr streetgang said:
It seems that we won't be seeing more that 50 Scar16s rifles in Canada anytime soon as FN U.S.A. will not be shipping anymore than the original order...

I talked to Tim at Questar today and he confirmed my worst fears...
If you are one of the lucky ones to be on the list of 50 and by blind chance don't want your Scar, by all means PM me and I'm sure we can work out a reasonable arrangement to benefit both parties...
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My intention here was not to start a thread to propagate rumours of any sort.

I did in fact talk to a Questar rep and i made a simple typo of his name...Tom in fact was the person i spoke with and the conversation i had with him was very clear... i asked him to clarify the information on the website about the issues that they were dealing with in regards to importing of the Scar16s rifle to Canada, and he was quite direct with his answer. He stated that Questar WILL NOT be taking any more orders on the Scar16s rifles and they will only be able to import 50 at the very most. I then asked Tom if there was any chance that there would be future exports of the Scar16s after the original 50, and he clearly stated that it WAS HIGHLY UNLIKLEY THAT WE WILL SEE ANY SCAR16S RIFLES FOR A VERY VERY LONG TIME. Now if you read the original post there was no deliberate mis-information on my part, and based on the conversation with Tom and the previous dealings i have had with Questar i did not question the validity of his statement. If there was any mistake on my behalf it was that i simply trusted the word of the Questar rep to be good info, and perhaps that was an incorrect assumption. Perhaps next time i will ask Mark for the interpretation of the information he posted on his website and then await a nebulus answer of some sort about how it can't be confirmed or denied.

The burning questions i do have for Mark is that based on the statement on your site (which i pasted below) is, if I'm so off base about the post i wrote then why was this posted on the Questar site? (QUOTE: "We've also been told (specifically) that the SCAR is considered a "military type firearm" and new export permits for this gun will NOT be approved."END QUOTE) and also why did you post this? (QUOTE "This will mean that existing inventories on many of these items will not be replenished so "get em while they last" is obviously something to keep in mind."END QUOTE) Is the latter just a marketing ploy to sell firearms and accesories faster by promoting a panic buy?

Thanks for throwing a good long time customer under the bus Mark...

Here is whats posted on the Questar site:

Over the past few weeks we've had on-going discussions with US State Department and I'm sorry to report that they are once again tightening export restrictions on a number of firearms and accessories. According to State Department there were a number of export permits approved this past year that "slipped through the cracks" and were NOT indicative of an intentional change in "Export Policy". New permits are once again being restricted in a similar way to what was happening a year or two ago.

Here are a few examples of what the new Export Permits can NOT contain:

•Firearms chambering 5.56NATO or 7.62NATO ammunition
•Rifle Barrels under 16"
•Flash Hiders/Suppressors
•Folding, collapsing or telesoping stocks
We've also been told (specifically) that the SCAR is considered a "military type firearm" and new export permits for this gun will NOT be approved.

This will mean that existing inventories on many of these items will not be replenished so "get em while they last" is obviously something to keep in mind. We will keep you informed as we get more info but we expect to see shortages again on many of the most popular AR stuff due to these renewed restrictions.
 
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