Cancelations

ckc123 said:
As for the $400, at a level 2, I would feel insulted if it was less.. how can you honestly expect a club to put all the effort like a level 2, and show $200 at the end of the day. They would not survive, and stop holding matches after 6-12 months.. unless they see a good profit, and reason to spend more $$ on props, etc, then they won't do it, and you have some simple, cheap matches that are not exciting, and no one really wants to go to , cause it's not an exciting match.
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Well then someone should let the rest of the Windsor club know that we should have folded years ago and shouldn't have been running matches between then and now. Our plan is to break even after a level 2 sometimes we're up a few dollars sometimes we under but we keep on sticking around due to some oddity. Hell we even ran a level 2 for $10 and didn't go bankrupt:eek:. we used all new targets, made new props got lunch for the staff both days and even bought proper patches from targetbarn to use. Tell you what next time we put on a match I'll bounce all our plans off you first so that we don't fold up afterwards, sound good?
 
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Well then someone should let the rest of the Windsor club know that we should have folded years ago and shouldn't have been running matches between then and now. Our plan is to break even after a level 2 sometimes we're up a few dollars sometimes we under but we keep on sticking around due to some oddity. Hell we even ran a level 2 for $10 and didn't go bankrupt:eek:. we used all new targets, made new props got lunch for the staff both days and even bought proper patches from targetbarn to use. Tell you what next time we put on a match I'll bounce all our plans off you first so that we don't fold up afterwards, sound good?
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Mike...don't confuse the word club...with the word range.

Feel free to tell the Soucie clan that they have no right to turn a profit on their range and let me know what they say. ;)

Some ranges are fine to let the clubs (IPSC, PPC, Cowboy etc) run on their own...some ranges want a piece of the action...some ranges run the show.

Don't assume just because it works at one club...the same is true for all the rest.
 
The facility makes its profit off the $215 we all pay each year for membership.
Any money generated from anything to do with ipsc, ppc, idpa, stays with that group. Are ther ranges were the only income is whats generated from holding IPSC matches?
 
Madness said:
The facility makes its profit off the $215 we all pay each year for membership.
Any money generated from anything to do with ipsc, ppc, idpa, stays with that group. Are ther ranges were the only income is whats generated from holding IPSC matches?
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Well then your range is very understandig...

If I joined a range...and a portion of the range time was taken up by a club (IPSC or otherwise) I would expect that club to cough over a portion of the profit. Remember that most people that show up to shoot matches...are usually not members of that range.
 
Several matches I've been involved with hosting were pre register and pre pay... Especially the larger multi-gun affairs.
'Never had a problem.
There are always a couple guys who just show up expecting to walk on.. If they can be accomodated I would. If we were running just on time or a little late... "sorry, you should have signed up and prepaid"
I get a kick outta the guy who asks for a friends money back who at the last minute decided not to show up. 'Sorry... Gimme a week notice maybe, but 10 minutes before your squad's up.... forget it. I'm keeping your fee.
 
The match economics are determined by the organizers and the hosting club.

At one spectrum, the match is for pure profit for the hosting club. At the other,
it is to promote and develop the sport.

For pure profit, I would not refund on cancellation without sufficent
notice (48 hours is probably too short).

We run enough PPC and bullseye matches. The setup overhead,
economics and staffing are simple compared to any of the action
pistol events. These events are also highly under-subscribed (we
can handle 144 hourly match slots per day) compared to
IPSC/Cowboy and xDPA events.

The community is also small and people either pre-pay or know they
will be able to walk on to shoot when and if they choose to go on match
day.

If they don't end up shooting, we just return the fees. As the
organizer, we choose to hold the event knowing how under subscribed
it would be (16 / 144 is a good showing). Often, we hold the event
so we can shoot it to record scores for record. If other competitors
show up, great. That's sort of sad, but that's reality.

We make the event available and hope interested people show up.
 
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everyone here is saying ban the no shows, or those who don't give a heads up, from Omen's on-line registration/squading system... so what prevents those people from calling the MD and requesting a slot... what prevents them from mailing in a cheque and slot request?? most importantly unless IPSC/Canada/Ontario suspends the offender from competing where are the teeth in the ban? Because unless they are not a member in good standing aren't they allowed from attending any sanctioned match??
A better solution is post the match on omen's site and require pre-payment. once payment has been recieved you're allowed access to the squading list... I think triangle does this now... if you need to cancel after a certain refund date % taken off, no show, no call = no refund. without money in hand there is really no method of recourse unless they have a black book like the good ol'days in Vegas
 
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Has anyone ever tried issuing a 'seasons pass' for events?

It's one of the things I am currently considering for the Tac Rifle events I hold at my local range. The concept would be to schedule 6 matches and charge for 5. Our fees are $20 per match so a pass would be $100.

Hopefully that represents enough incentive to buy the pass and to avoid missing match dates without imposing too much bureaucracy.

That's the theory ... I thought I'd check and see if its been tried before or if folks had some thoughts about it.
 
No one is getting banned....

I've heard enough of that word to last two lifetimes. :rolleyes:

It's up to the clubs to administer their matches...and matches will be open to all current members. If the clubs want pre-paymemt...they can arrange for it.

maxpig said:
everyone here is saying ban the no shows, or those who don't give a heads up, from Omen's on-line registration/squading system... so what prevents those people from calling the MD and requesting a slot... what prevents them from mailing in a cheque and slot request?? most importantly unless IPSC/Canada/Ontario suspends the offender from competing where are the teeth in the ban? Because unless they are not a member in good standing aren't they allowed from attending any sanctioned match??
A better solution is post the match on omen's site and require pre-payment. once payment has been recieved you're allowed access to the squading list... I think triangle does this now... if you need to cancel after a certain refund date % taken off, no show, no call = no refund. without money in hand there is really no method of recourse unless they have a black book like the good ol'days in Vegas
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Quigley said:
No one is getting banned....

I've heard enough of that word to last two lifetimes. :rolleyes:

It's up to the clubs to administer their matches...and matches will be open to all current members. If the clubs want pre-paymemt...they can arrange for it.
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Glad to hear it!!:bigHug:
 
I probably should have pointed out (I assume most users of IPSC-Matches would know) but...

The system already has the business logic built in to require pre-payment. The Triangle match uses it. You send in payment by whatever method the match organizers arrange...they send you a pin number (unique to you) you go into the system and pick your spot (using that pin)...

The real issue is...the matches are being put on the system far to soon in advance of the match date. I recall a few instances last year where matches were listed over 5 months in advance...

I won't go so far as to say it's too easy to sign up ...but if all the matches were listed in the site (will months of advance notice) you could sign up for the entire season in less than 5 minutes...(with little or no commitment to show)
 
Hey Storm, sorry to hear about the poor turn out. Thats a kick in the pants for sure.

Maybe a pre-pay is the way of the future. Or an understanding in the IPSC community that if you dont show, you still pay. "Pay-to-Play"

A little off topic but at my range all the individual clubs run their own show. All the clubs are entitled to new seed money at the begining of every season (springish). They can use that money for whatever they want. Usually they buy a big ticket item or prop. Other money can be made available to the clubs if required or if it is deemed as a good investment for the range. We don't expect any club to turn a profit, but they need to ballance out at the end of the season (fallish).

One stipulation is that all the equipment/props that the clubs "own" are really owned by the range. That way, individual clubs within our range cant wake up one day and decide to take "their" ball and go elsewhere.
 
Now, you guys got me thinking...

I hope I wasn't signed up for Storms match. Now I gotta go check Omens site...

Sign up is being opened up way to early in my opinion. I don't know what is on my agenda next week, let alone 3 months from now.
 
It should be possible (I know I'm volunteering work or Omen here) for a MD to go in after the match and tag no-shows and then assign a priority rating to users.

So if you no-show you lose your 'first come first served' priority for the next sign up and you might get bounced for your preferred slot on the next match.

My 2 cents.
 
I just do not know the answer...

If you keep the sign up closed too late then people might not sign up at all as they have not made plans for it.

I like to plan my weekends in advance as much as possible..

On the plus side..........with so many No-shows...........Looks like I came up the middle and came in FIRST in STD!! LOL!!

Hey any first place is a good first place no matter how meaningless it is.
 
sorry to hear that buddy........it's sooo easy to sign up.....and it's also, soooo
easy to pull out as well, so no excuse for those who did that......most do know within 3 - 5 days for sure if they can make it, except for a very few last minute stuff that couldn't be helped........
re: some form of penalty for a no show without online pull out....uuhhhh maybe can work....but after 1 grace no show............
example......i didn't make a match i signed up for, cause.....I fullyintended to go right up to that morning......went to niagara falls with the girlfriend for two days (she's never been before) had my toy and gear with me for the drive to match on way home from niagara......alarm clock problem that morning and got up too late to make the match in time and did not know how to reach organizers by phone at that club....did call squading buddy, got voicl mail, so left voice message that i couldn't come...he didn't get it till after match....than some time later, i hear that i was bad mouthed :eek::eek:...without given the benefit of doubt.....i could of been in tragic accident or someting........regardless, i emailed and apologized for the no show......

i agree we need to find a way to reduce the no shows.....i believe not opening till less than a month away is a start.....

my 2 dracmas
 
I belong to a car club in BC, and am the webmaster for said club.

We've successfully implemented SPORG (http://www.sporg.com) for all of our sign-up and payment.

We use it for accepting pre-payment for 300+ people attending 3-day weekends, 60 people taking advanced driving clinics, even t-shirt sales/etc.

It's STUPIDLY simple to do and very, very cheap.


Might be worth looking into for you guys as well.


$0.02
 
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