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I struggle with the entire concept.
I wouldn't begrudge a man a pay check if he sells hunts for a living we all choose our vocations
A canned hunt is a canned hunt no matter what the size of the land that is fenced, but the bigger the area the more an outfitter can argue "fair chase" which is where I struggle.
There is no way in heck I'd ever be able to cover 20000 acres fenced or not so the option for the animal to get a way is no different than if I was hunting the wild.
Makes me question whether or not my personal code needs to be adjusted
I wouldn't begrudge a man a pay check if he sells hunts for a living we all choose our vocations
A canned hunt is a canned hunt no matter what the size of the land that is fenced, but the bigger the area the more an outfitter can argue "fair chase" which is where I struggle.
There is no way in heck I'd ever be able to cover 20000 acres fenced or not so the option for the animal to get a way is no different than if I was hunting the wild.
Makes me question whether or not my personal code needs to be adjusted
When they try and draw a line from making canned hunts available in order to stop poaching I figure every self respection hunter should get plenty pissed. Hunters are not going to start poaching period regardless of the situation. that said, Africa's a very different place than here and thats about as much as I know about Africa.
Mumptia said:
Mumps...
Fences are all over our great land, and restrict humans more than game...
There are some folks on here that havent covered 100 acres in the last 10 years hunting, but have an opinion on the subject.
I would suggest you go and check out a "gamefarm" and draw an opinion from your experience. you dont necessarily have to hunt, but you might gather a better understanding as to what is involved, and you'll be informed should you decide to change your personal code.
Everyone has they're Idea of what these things are (farms) and in most cases its just not true.
I commend you on your inner struggle
As long as their four legs are not tied and staked to the ground, why not. The animals are still better off then domesticated farm stock. I have seen people miss standing deer at 50 yards in the wild. I have shot a deer that I walked to within 30 feet in the wild. ??????????
Does any of that matter as long as you follow the law and get out of the experience what you wanted?
True hunting would mean no firearms of any sort, running thru the bush naked,jumping on our quarries back and biting the jugular!
So any TRUE hunters out there???? (Gatehouse being the exception, Ive seen pictures, not a pretty sight)
Does any of that matter as long as you follow the law and get out of the experience what you wanted?
True hunting would mean no firearms of any sort, running thru the bush naked,jumping on our quarries back and biting the jugular!
So any TRUE hunters out there???? (Gatehouse being the exception, Ive seen pictures, not a pretty sight)
If someone working at a slaughterhouse can get paid to kill an animal, why can't someone pay another person a hell of a lot of money to do the same kind of thing?
It may not be "hunting" or "sporting" to some people, but if someone has that kind of money and thinks it is worth a large sum to have the opportunity to do this, why not?
It's good for the local economy isn't it?
What the hell do poor people know anyway? If their so smart, why aren't they rich?
It may not be "hunting" or "sporting" to some people, but if someone has that kind of money and thinks it is worth a large sum to have the opportunity to do this, why not?
It's good for the local economy isn't it?
What the hell do poor people know anyway? If their so smart, why aren't they rich?
Rammer Jammer said:If someone working at a slaughterhouse can get paid to kill an animal, why can't someone pay another person a hell of a lot of money to do the same kind of thing?
It may not be "hunting" or "sporting" to some people, but if someone has that kind of money and thinks it is worth a large sum to have the opportunity to do this, why not?
It's good for the local economy isn't it?
What the hell do poor people know anyway? If their so smart, why aren't they rich?
The animals in the slaughter house aren't considered "wild" so the rules are a bit different.
The whole question behind the canned hunt is is it harvest by fair chase despite being a humungous section of land of which you would never be able to cover in 5 season of hunting? I lean towards no because the fence is still there. I know, I know, its an ideological concept but without it where are the lines that define the rules, regulations and our own hunting ethics.
That said, If a fella wants to open up his own game farm and use canned hunts to put bread and butter on the table for his family, he gets two thumbs up from me. Adding to the local economy has more pro's to outweigh the cons. For now, I'm quite sure I'd pass until I know a bit more about how these ranches run.
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What is a canned hunt. these two pics are from Africa. Frirst pic, I'm taking a break, looking out toward the perometer fence. It is at the base of those two knobs in the distance. The next property starts the other side of that fence and extends to the other side of the knobs.
The animals here are managed for hunting. Is this a canned hunt? There is a high fence behind us.
My brother has a section of land [640] acres with a fence around it. He kills deer there in his yard. Is that a canned hunt?
My BIL has 100 head of elk on 40 acres. If he shoots one, is that a canned hunt?
Like the other thread running, we are real quick to tell our brother what is best for him, but get real indignant when the advice comes the other way.
If it works for you and it's legal, then do it. If I feel so strongly that I preach the error of your ways, then I better be prepared to put the effort in to change the laws or keep my pie hole shut.
What is a canned hunt. these two pics are from Africa. Frirst pic, I'm taking a break, looking out toward the perometer fence. It is at the base of those two knobs in the distance. The next property starts the other side of that fence and extends to the other side of the knobs.
The animals here are managed for hunting. Is this a canned hunt? There is a high fence behind us.
My brother has a section of land [640] acres with a fence around it. He kills deer there in his yard. Is that a canned hunt?
My BIL has 100 head of elk on 40 acres. If he shoots one, is that a canned hunt?
Like the other thread running, we are real quick to tell our brother what is best for him, but get real indignant when the advice comes the other way.
If it works for you and it's legal, then do it. If I feel so strongly that I preach the error of your ways, then I better be prepared to put the effort in to change the laws or keep my pie hole shut.
Redfrog, not sure why the hotheaded thread is necessary
Opinions are not directions.
What preaching have you read on this thread?
You just blew a discussion into an arguement
What are you talking about?
Noone has offered any advice or what is best for who on this thread.but get real indignant when the advice comes the other way.
Opinions are not directions.
What preaching have you read on this thread?
You just blew a discussion into an arguement
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Redfrog said:
Which one is you Redfrog?
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Sorry it came across as hotheaded. I didn't write it that way.
I was talking about the "judgmental thread."
"I lean towards no because the fence is still there. I know, I know, its an ideological concept but without it where are the lines that define the rules, regulations and our own hunting ethics."
Who said this??????
Is it just an opinion?
The lines that define the rules ARE the laws that govern the activity. Is it legal or not?
I haven't read any preaching in this thread, but in several other threads
about canned hunts, there are those that preach that it is "wrong"
I have no problem with someone expressing an opinion. I do have a problem when someone thinks they should be telling me or anyone else what they should do. Ethics/morals are personal. Laws apply to everyone.
We see it on these boards all the time. Someone says there's really no reason to own handguns ,or fish with bait, or hunt cotes in the spring or ...fill in the flavor of the week.
If it comes across that I'm arguing with you, or anyone else, I apologize. In Fact I mostly agree with you.
I just don't care for others setting their rules for me.
Sorry it came across as hotheaded. I didn't write it that way.
I was talking about the "judgmental thread."
"I lean towards no because the fence is still there. I know, I know, its an ideological concept but without it where are the lines that define the rules, regulations and our own hunting ethics."
Who said this??????
Is it just an opinion?
The lines that define the rules ARE the laws that govern the activity. Is it legal or not?
I haven't read any preaching in this thread, but in several other threads
about canned hunts, there are those that preach that it is "wrong"
I have no problem with someone expressing an opinion. I do have a problem when someone thinks they should be telling me or anyone else what they should do. Ethics/morals are personal. Laws apply to everyone.
We see it on these boards all the time. Someone says there's really no reason to own handguns ,or fish with bait, or hunt cotes in the spring or ...fill in the flavor of the week.
If it comes across that I'm arguing with you, or anyone else, I apologize. In Fact I mostly agree with you.
I just don't care for others setting their rules for me.
Redfrog said:
I wrote that alright but it was meant from a personal perspective. My own rules that govern me. I'm not really concerned with what you or anyone else chooses to do or the fellow that sells hunts and I said that in previous posts.
Well, legal is legal and keeps most of us on the straight and narrow. Game farms are legal and I said great for those who run them. I also said that I wouldn't partake until I learn a little more about them. Just because its not my cup of tea doesn't mean its wrong
Yep, pain the ass when those turkeys chime in.
Fully agree.
We need fellows like you around here to help simmer the young ones down
I find it amazing how many people are completely oblivious to how nieve many of their opinions are about so many topics.
I work with two fellows who have been taking shots at me for years about bear baiting. They both went out and bought quads and who did they turn to to take them out and show them the ropes? Me. I took them quadding while I checked my bai, ended up shooting one and now they are hooked. One has a much better understanding of the whole process so his trap is shut. The other, well lets just say he loves to hear his own opinion and it hasn't changed much so I'll not lose much sleep over him.
Mumptia said:
I was referring to bison, elk, etc, not just domestic cattle and pigs.
How do you think the "exotic" meats wind up in a restaurant?
I was trying to clarify the concept and ethics of money trading hands for the experience of harvesting an animal, not so much the rules around it.
old!!!!!
"We need fellows like you around here to help simmer the young ones down"
Are you saying I'm old
If I ever find myself in Lacrete [wherever that is], I'll buy you a cold one, just to show my heart's pure. and my intentions good.
"We need fellows like you around here to help simmer the young ones down"
Are you saying I'm old
If I ever find myself in Lacrete [wherever that is], I'll buy you a cold one, just to show my heart's pure.
and my intentions good.Redfrog said:"We need fellows like you around here to help simmer the young ones down"
Are you saying I'm old
If I ever find myself in Lacrete [wherever that is], I'll buy you a cold one, just to show my heart's pure.
Sounds good ha,ha
You're right Redfrog, grey doesn't mean old......... it means young with lots of experience
Oh, and I'm about 9 - 10 hours north of Edmonton. C'mon up anytime.
