Cant find this scope in Canada, Need import permit?

[BeaverMeat]

this is US Homeland Security making sure that they are not supplying the rest of us with the means to cause them grief....

Nah. They are regulated by the US Department of Commerce (hint) and they use DHS as muscle. It's corporate meddling at the political level.

 

[BeaverMeat]

Individuals also require the proper permits to export controlled items out of the USA, not just businesses.

From the U.S. dept of Commerce website

ECCN 0A987 controls specific sighting devices, their associated optical elements, and adjustment mechanisms. Please see the entry for a detailed description of what is controlled. Sighting devices that are not specified in this ECCN or elsewhere on the Commerce Control List, and that are not subject to the jurisdiction of the Department of State, are EAR99.

Edit: found this right below that comment.

Those that contain night vision capabilities may be under State jurisdiction. You should first contact the State Department. Any optical sighting device mounted on a rifle is under State Department jurisdiction.

And to make it more confusing. EAR99 items are low lech items and not regulated.

Mounts, bases, rings and rails are EAR99.

If your item falls under U.S. Department of Commerce jurisdiction and is not listed on the CCL, it is designated as EAR99. EAR99 items generally consist of low-technology consumer goods and do not require a license in most situations. However, if your proposed export of an EAR99 item is to an embargoed country, to an end-user of concern, or in support of a prohibited end-use, you may be required to obtain a license.

So... I guess it open to interpretation by the officers discretion.

 

[sheephunter]

But yet we can get bullets/casing/powder from them, I know it will never makes sense. I guess its not suppose to.

Not without extensive export paperwork.....lol

 

[raysteel]

From the U.S. dept of Commerce website



Some scope are controlled, some are not. If it's not on the list, your good to go.

Good to go in what way? It is easier or do you still have to apply for permits etc

Forget it, I just read the list. Everything is on it lol. If can see thru it, point with it or has glass its not allowed

 

[mh434]

It's all extremely stupid. The original idea was to prevent sellers from exporting critical US military technology which, I suppose, makes sense.

Somewhere along the line, though, some brain-dead moronic left-wing bureaucrats decided that if there's such a thing as an optic that the military uses, then it follows that ALL optics & associated mounting bits, screws, etc. are US military technology, regardless of the place of manufacture, intended use, etc.

To show the extent of this idiocy, the ITAR rules consider a second-hand, British-designed, Taiwan-made, BSA "Sweet 22" scope (only useable on .22LR rifles, and only for target shooting) as "US military technology".

I even tried to buy a round, hand-held magnifying glass and was denied export from the US, as it, too, was considered US military technology.

Just goes to show what can be accomplished when Liberals are running the show...

 

[raysteel]

It's all extremely stupid. The original idea was to prevent sellers from exporting critical US military technology which, I suppose, makes sense.

Somewhere along the line, though, some brain-dead moronic left-wing bureaucrats decided that if there's such a thing as an optic that the military uses, then it follows that ALL optics & associated mounting bits, screws, etc. are US military technology, regardless of the place of manufacture, intended use, etc.

To show the extent of this idiocy, the ITAR rules consider a second-hand, British-designed, Taiwan-made, BSA "Sweet 22" scope (only useable on .22LR rifles, and only for target shooting) as "US military technology".

I even tried to buy a round, hand-held magnifying glass and was denied export from the US, as it, too, was considered US military technology.

Just goes to show what can be accomplished when Liberals are running the show...

So I guess I have to wait until the company who makes the scope decides to sell up here again, what a joke

 

[Kelly Timoffee]

Wonder what sighting system they illegally obtained to crash into the twin towers?

They couldn't stop that.

Try contacting Prophet River.

 

[BeaverMeat]

Try contacting Prophet River.

This, and tell the seller to call the Dept of Commerce with the make model... Etc.

I do know if you buy something vintage like an old K4 it's a non-issue.

 

[Mystic Precision]

And you wonder why shooting stuff costs more in Canada then the US????

Importation and the paperwork involved is PRICEY.... You have no idea how deep and silly the classifications and rules are.

FYI, if you have a product that needs to go to the US for warranty support (like many scopes) and you do not have the proper export documentation to ship to the US (ie never imported with proper documentation), don't be surprised to hit a whole world of problems from the manf to Uncle Sam.

Their game, their rules... If you want it, play by them and pay. Or be sneaky and "pay" later.

YMMV.

Jerry

 

[raysteel]

And you wonder why shooting stuff costs more in Canada then the US????

Importation and the paperwork involved is PRICEY.... You have no idea how deep and silly the classifications and rules are.

FYI, if you have a product that needs to go to the US for warranty support (like many scopes) and you do not have the proper export documentation to ship to the US (ie never imported with proper documentation), don't be surprised to hit a whole world of problems from the manf to Uncle Sam.

Their game, their rules... If you want it, play by them and pay. Or be sneaky and "pay" later.

YMMV.

Jerry

Ahhhh Jerry, I have heard good things about you. I will be calling you soon to see if you have time to help me build something ;-)

I also found a company here in BC that has a exoprt permit and will do all the paperwork. Problem is not the scope I wanted doesnt make sense dollar wise....Anyone wanna go in on a few items. Apparently 1 fee and no limit number to the order.....

 

[fugawi]

And sometimes its just a distribution thing. When I tried to order Leupold rings from Brownells a few years back, they refused to sell to me as there is a Canadian distributor.

There is probably some sort of agreement about fishing in another person's pond that Leupold expects Brownells to honour.

 

[Mystic Precision]

Send me a PM or email if you want do chat about any rifle build.

And importation of scopes.

There is a ton of stuff in the US, I want to import... but the licensing and paperwork ensure it stays south of the 49th...

Let me know..
Jerry

 

[fugawi]

Send me a PM or email if you want do chat about any rifle build.

And importation of scopes.

There is a ton of stuff in the US, I want to import... but the licensing and paperwork ensure it stays south of the 49th...

Let me know..
Jerry

Thanks Jerry. There's a thread in the General Discussion that nowarningshot started after I made the suggestion that it would be nice to have a sticky about U.S. firearms related companies that will export to Canada (after a few pm's regarding importing extremely hard to find ammo from Midway).

If you or anyone else would add to the thread, and I'm suggesting the more specific the better so it can be searchable, maybe we could not only have a list of U.S. suppliers that export to Canada but an idea of what is available in the U.S. market.