Cant get a patch down my Savage 93R17 BSEV - multiple problems

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I bought a Hoppes Elite one piece .17 rod, Gun Slick .17 cotton patches (they're tiny) and a brass .17 Hoppes jag. For the life of me I can not get them down the barrel with solvent on them as its just too tight. The solvent expands the cotton just enough to get jammed in the breach and I have to push the rod down the mussel to get them out. I just don't see a solution unless there is a problem with Gun Slick's patches?

The other issue with the Hoppes Elite rod is that its a male threaded end and all the brushes and patch holders are also male (.17) AND they have different size threads, so you need a special adaptor which I can't find in town and will have to order online. Complete PITA

Im not going to use a Boresnake because once its dirty it acts like a grind stone on the inside of the barrel. I used it on my 10/22 and yes its easy but then again its not because you have to clean the snake so often. Unlike patches you use them once and throw them out.

For now I'm going to run out and pick up an Otis cleaning system and hopefully I can pull a patch through with that.

The other issue is the Tipton Rapid bore guide I bought is a piece of crap. First off it wont line up in the barrel properly with the bore because the small bore tip they give you for it has play in it - so you can wiggle it around in the chamber making it pointless as far as I can see.

Can anyone recommend a bore guide that actually works with the .17 hmr (Don't say Lucas because you can't buy them now AFAIK)?

What trick/tip do you have to get a wet patch down the bore?

Thank you.
 
Don't use patches on .17 barrels, use a .17 bronze brush (one pass, don't reverse directions inside the barrel)... and either a .17 boresnake or .17 bore mop... more people have jammed rods and caused problems in .17 barrels, using patches, than any other issue... there is just so little room for "give" in that tiny bore.
 
cut your patch smaller it work for me ... use good branded patch that are not stretching and youll be fine and buy a tipton rod of course
 
Someone suggested to place the jag off center on the patch and this worked. Not sure why but it does.

In the end I am going with the Otis system. Its much easier than a rod and, imo, better for the gun than a bore snake.

Thanks for your help.
 
If you go OTIS for the love of God never buy the small kits with the patch loop permanently attached to the cable. Tried one in my 10/22 and the patch got jammed in the throat on the lead buildup. The cable will not push it back out and can't be unscrewed to use a cleaning rod. I sent pics to OTIS and politely asked for a solution multiple times and they ignored every email. I like their shotgun kit but for rifles I won't use them. Now here's an idea you might be able to try. Chuck the jag up in a drill and remove a thou or two with fine sandpaper until it works. You can fit it until you're happy with it.
 
NOrrTH said:
Someone suggested to place the jag off center on the patch and this worked. Not sure why but it does.

In the end I am going with the Otis system. Its much easier than a rod and, imo, better for the gun than a bore snake.

Thanks for your help.
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Just less material to get jammed on one side I guess,, cutting the patch should do the same
 
Why do people insist on pushing a rod as opposed to pulling it through? The "T" handle is far more useful for pulling than pushing, the rod isn't rubbing the bore when you pull as its under tension not compression, the chance of snapping a rod is near zero, and threads in general tolerate tension better than compression. Pushing a rod is for the birds...

TDC
 
TDC said:
Why do people insist on pushing a rod as opposed to pulling it through? The "T" handle is far more useful for pulling than pushing, the rod isn't rubbing the bore when you pull as its under tension not compression, the chance of snapping a rod is near zero, and threads in general tolerate tension better than compression. Pushing a rod is for the birds...

TDC
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That makes total sense for a bore mop and a brass brush but for the pierce point style of brass jag (as opposed to the slotted type) you pretty much have to push it.
 
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when I had my 17 hmr I had the same problem so rather than cut down all the patches this is what I did. I took the jag and put it in a cordless drill I then wraps 400 grit sand paper around the jad and hit the trigger on the drill. It took about a min. to sand the jag down small enough. I then used some brass polish on a cloth and using the drill again I polished the jag. I worked very well for me.
 
I had a similar problem getting patches down my Mark II. Dewer's .22 rod didn't fit, .22 bore snake wouln't drop through. Ended up getting a Dewer's .17 rod and even then, I had to cut a standard .223 size patch into thirds to make them fit.
 
Google patchworm! It's like an OTIS system for pulling patches through, but it's inexpensive and it works. I've been using them on my 10/22s for years. I haven't tried it but they do have a specific 17 cal version as well.
 
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