picked up a used norinco sporter m14 off the EE , nice looking but all over the paper at 25 yards , like 10" group. checked the gas tube ,all tight .passed all the inspections in the stickies at top of page . next is to remove the flash hider and try it , it has a USGI one installed before I got it . What is spec if I slug the barrel , might be shot out , the round count is unknown. I am not a armchair sniper be I can land a decent shot , much better than I can get out of this rifle. What else could it be?.
cant hit s@$t with my m 14
- Thread starter slug1977
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CLean your gun then check to see if there is any scares or pitting in the barrel takes the break off and look at the crown of the barrel and after u clean the barrel take a look down it to see if the lands and groves are stiill looking good.
Travis Bickle
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Upper Lower Middle Alberta
Sounds like a case of people messing with a perfectly good rifle and making it worse lol
That sucks though man.
At that range it should be driving tacks!
No need to slug the bore, take a good look down it. If it's shot out you will visually notice the rounded edges and clearly worn metal.
The barrels are chromed and are good for many many rounds. I don't think there are many people out there that could afford the amount of ammo it would take to shoot out a barrel on an M14 unless they had it for a decade or so lol
The flash hider could not be properly aligned maybe? If they rethreaded the barrel, it may be slightly canted?
When you say "sporter", what do you mean? Is it in some wonky hunting stock? Or are you referring to the M14 shorty?
Did the seller say there were any issues with the rifle?
He clearly shot it before selling it. Ask him how it was shooting.
It can help to know the history of the rifle ie How did it shoot initially, what changes were made and how/by who.
More info please!
That sucks though man.
At that range it should be driving tacks!
No need to slug the bore, take a good look down it. If it's shot out you will visually notice the rounded edges and clearly worn metal.
The barrels are chromed and are good for many many rounds. I don't think there are many people out there that could afford the amount of ammo it would take to shoot out a barrel on an M14 unless they had it for a decade or so lol
The flash hider could not be properly aligned maybe? If they rethreaded the barrel, it may be slightly canted?
When you say "sporter", what do you mean? Is it in some wonky hunting stock? Or are you referring to the M14 shorty?
Did the seller say there were any issues with the rifle?
He clearly shot it before selling it. Ask him how it was shooting.
It can help to know the history of the rifle ie How did it shoot initially, what changes were made and how/by who.
More info please!
-Scoped or irons? If scoped take it off for now.
-On to the irons, Norc rear sight or GI? If norc could be stripped pinion they are notorious for being weak. Front sight on tight?
-Next the flash hider, is it NM reamed or not? Castle nut tightened down properly? GI flash sups are rather tight and if misaligned the bullet will strike it and go who knows where. You can check this with a wooden dowell.
-Next inspect the crown, and damage? chips?
-What kind of stock is it in? check the ferrule for contact. All good?
If you get through all that and it still won't shoot straight we need pics.
-On to the irons, Norc rear sight or GI? If norc could be stripped pinion they are notorious for being weak. Front sight on tight?
-Next the flash hider, is it NM reamed or not? Castle nut tightened down properly? GI flash sups are rather tight and if misaligned the bullet will strike it and go who knows where. You can check this with a wooden dowell.
-Next inspect the crown, and damage? chips?
-What kind of stock is it in? check the ferrule for contact. All good?
If you get through all that and it still won't shoot straight we need pics.
It is stamped "norinco m14 sporter C.A.I. ST ALB VT " stamped on the receiver ,previous owner never fired it.it is in a boyds walnut stock (from what I can tell) and yes tried 3 different knids of ammo ,federal blue box 180's were 8" group
Sniper_Wolf
CGN Regular
- Location
- Fraser Canyon, BC
Try a lower weight, most folks around here recommend the 145-168 range for an M14. There shouldn't be such a drastic effect, but you never know.
I put a USGI flashhider on my rifle and I couldn't tell where it was shooting.
Took it off and it looked like the bullets where hitting the side sending them off course.
Put a Chinese one back on, but haven't had a chance to try it yet.
Took it off and it looked like the bullets where hitting the side sending them off course.
Put a Chinese one back on, but haven't had a chance to try it yet.
What he said. There is absolutely no way any mechanical issue short of literally falling apart that will give you close to a foot wide grouping at 25 yards. The ONLY thing I can think of at that distance would be a seriously crooked flash hider/brake, but you would notice the marks on the end.
As Sniper mentioned, you may want to try a lower weight like MFS 145 gr. You never know unitl you try.
Good Luck.
Kayser Sose
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Southern Van Isle
^ it's a good idea
Does it still have the norc rear sight? It's possible that there is wear in the gearing inside of it. Find someone on the firing line that's shooting irons or you know can and let them put 5 down range for you. Try and keep the weights under 150gr, I've ne'er had any luck with 180s in mine
boss351cleveland
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Down by the river
Dont shoot hot heavy grain hunting ammo out or your M14...
Is the op-rod spring guide retaining pin backing out? The Norc pin is shorter than the USGI spec and on some aftermarket stocks there may be room for it to work it's way out and leave the op-rod spring guide free to shift during shooting. Not sure how much effect this would actually have, but it might be the source of the problem.
Buzzballer
CGN Regular
- Location
- Southern Ontario
My guess is its some thing related to sights. I don't even know if it's physically possible for that type of spread from a rifle. Unless some thing was seriously wrong with the flash hider.. But then you would see damage on the inside of it from bullet contact. Can you post any pictures that might help?
The M14 can have issues with the USGI flash suppressor, the opening at the end can miss align with the bore and tip / touch the bullet as it passes by.
If your flash suppressor is reamed (like the Norinco that have come in recently) out to national match speck, then that is not the case. Look for copper strikes. If that's not the case, look at the crown
to see if it is clean and crisp.
If your flash suppressor is reamed (like the Norinco that have come in recently) out to national match speck, then that is not the case. Look for copper strikes. If that's not the case, look at the crown
to see if it is clean and crisp.
