Canuck elite hudson essentially a Benelli?
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Uses the same technology does NOT make it a Benelli. Companies just copy guns once their patents expire. The turkish copies of the M4s, while functional, and a far cry from Benelli quality. But if you don't want to pay Benelli money, they might be a decent option for you.
Canucks are pretty decent, as good as any of the Turkish shotguns except for maybe the Weatherby guns. I've had a few Canucks and currently have an Enforcer as a "camp gun". It cycles, fires, and ejects fine.
The thing to remember is they are not "essentially" a Benelli or Beretta. They are unlicensed copies of a design whose patent has expired. The big difference is going to be around the changes that have taken place over time, the QA, the tooling used (some of it IS in fact original tooling purchased from the original manufacturer), the standards for fit and finish, the manufacturing process, etc. I had some better than others, and a few not so good.
But it's a Canuck, so you'll get better support through O'Dell than other clones and my experience has been good, heck my Enforcer is far nicer than my old Mossberg which did the same job. I'd definitely slap a "hunting barrel" on it and go pop birds if I didn't already have a Supernova.
For only a little bit more (maybe same price after rebate?) you could look at a Browning Silver semi-auto. You'll get an excellent shotgun with great support in Canada, and only give up the (IMO unnecessary) 3.5" chamber. My Silver is my favorite shotgun, and currently the only 12 gauge semi I bother to own.
The thing to remember is they are not "essentially" a Benelli or Beretta. They are unlicensed copies of a design whose patent has expired. The big difference is going to be around the changes that have taken place over time, the QA, the tooling used (some of it IS in fact original tooling purchased from the original manufacturer), the standards for fit and finish, the manufacturing process, etc. I had some better than others, and a few not so good.
But it's a Canuck, so you'll get better support through O'Dell than other clones and my experience has been good, heck my Enforcer is far nicer than my old Mossberg which did the same job. I'd definitely slap a "hunting barrel" on it and go pop birds if I didn't already have a Supernova.
For only a little bit more (maybe same price after rebate?) you could look at a Browning Silver semi-auto. You'll get an excellent shotgun with great support in Canada, and only give up the (IMO unnecessary) 3.5" chamber. My Silver is my favorite shotgun, and currently the only 12 gauge semi I bother to own.
They are made to look like quality manufacturers firearms strictly for sales purposes obviously copy the best and use there reputation to sell a inferior product
The patent issue is avoided by subtle changes that are not revealed.
They have no longevity as a shooter and generally the problems will show them selves quickly if the firearm is shot a lot .
The term as good as a? Is often used
The patent issue is avoided by subtle changes that are not revealed.
They have no longevity as a shooter and generally the problems will show them selves quickly if the firearm is shot a lot .
The term as good as a? Is often used
Hollow Point
CGN Regular
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- New Brunswick
Franchi Affinity 3 if you are looking for inertia operated. Recoil spring is under the forearm unlike the benelli's, but after owning both I find the Franchi easier to clean. the benelli's come and gone but I still have the Franchi. the 7 year factory warenty is also nice.
No, in this case the patent issue is avoided by waiting for the patent to expire then copying it.
There are 27 Turkish shotgun manufacturers. Their quality levels vary from excellent to utter garbage. Let's put it another way, I have Winchester 1400 shotgun. I think it has given me nothing but grief. So all American shotguns are garbage. Saying that is pretty silly, isn't it. The same thing applies to Turkish shotguns.
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- Western Manitoba
Is at least two versions of "knock-off" or "fake" that I am familiar with.
An acquaintance, who loves to golf, treated himself to a trip to China when he retired from work. He says that he made his way to the factory that makes "Ping" golf clubs - discovered that when the contract to Ping is fulfilled, that line just keeps running - without the Ping name - sold as something else. Then another "Ping" contract comes along and that name is now applied - everyone was apparently happy with that - he has multiple times shown off his "Ping" made clubs, that do not have that logo or name on them.
My next door neighbour bought a "Zeiss" scope - at like 10% of retail - he brought it over to show me his "great deal" - almost all the obvious signs of "fake" were apparent - "Zeiss" name/logo in wrong colour, it would actually accept a battery to get red or green cross hairs, and so on. He then bought a second one, from the same source. I doubt he has ever fired 5 rounds from the second rifle - perhaps 20 rounds from the first rifle - and he fully knows now they are not authentic "Zeiss" - but does not seem to matter - I have heard him showing others his "Zeiss" outfitted 22-250 rifle. I have no clue where those knock-offs were made or by whom. For that matter, I do not know where modern Zeiss are made either - back in the day that was a German made brand - I doubt very much that the product is still made there - might be the location of their head office, but I do not know that.
So is up to OP to decide if a Canuk is really "just as good as" a Benelli or not. Apparently, some will accept the "just as good as" story. And if it seldom or never gets fired, it might not really matter?
Just to demonstrate modern "wonky" - I dismantled a Parker Hale semi-auto 12 gauge shotgun - I could not find a manual for it, so used a manual for a Weatherby Centurion semi-auto - both were made in same factory (KTG ?) in Japan. So much for "brand name" telling you much any more where a thing is made.
An acquaintance, who loves to golf, treated himself to a trip to China when he retired from work. He says that he made his way to the factory that makes "Ping" golf clubs - discovered that when the contract to Ping is fulfilled, that line just keeps running - without the Ping name - sold as something else. Then another "Ping" contract comes along and that name is now applied - everyone was apparently happy with that - he has multiple times shown off his "Ping" made clubs, that do not have that logo or name on them.
My next door neighbour bought a "Zeiss" scope - at like 10% of retail - he brought it over to show me his "great deal" - almost all the obvious signs of "fake" were apparent - "Zeiss" name/logo in wrong colour, it would actually accept a battery to get red or green cross hairs, and so on. He then bought a second one, from the same source. I doubt he has ever fired 5 rounds from the second rifle - perhaps 20 rounds from the first rifle - and he fully knows now they are not authentic "Zeiss" - but does not seem to matter - I have heard him showing others his "Zeiss" outfitted 22-250 rifle. I have no clue where those knock-offs were made or by whom. For that matter, I do not know where modern Zeiss are made either - back in the day that was a German made brand - I doubt very much that the product is still made there - might be the location of their head office, but I do not know that.
So is up to OP to decide if a Canuk is really "just as good as" a Benelli or not. Apparently, some will accept the "just as good as" story. And if it seldom or never gets fired, it might not really matter?
Just to demonstrate modern "wonky" - I dismantled a Parker Hale semi-auto 12 gauge shotgun - I could not find a manual for it, so used a manual for a Weatherby Centurion semi-auto - both were made in same factory (KTG ?) in Japan. So much for "brand name" telling you much any more where a thing is made.
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If you are looking for a short recoil semi-auto, I read a review of a Retay 20guage , I think that was the brand. The reviewer was highly impressed . It pays to do your research. I'm of the opinion, that if the product has the factory's name on it, it tends to be a bit high quality than if it has the importer's name on it, who bought them at a price point.
Well that rule of thumb kinda rules out every Browning ever made. And a host of other very good guns. Including a ton of English made guns over the last 140 years. I like to look at the actual quality of the gun itself, irrespective of the brand name on it. I have a Charles Daly that compares favorably to Purdey. Similar Daly's are listed for sale in the $25,000 usd range. And there are other Charles Dalys I wouldn't pay $200 for.
Isn't there far fewer factories making guns though? It was my understanding that there is only a handful of factories, and they pump out guns for all sorts of brands from Winchester and Weatherby to Canuck and Derya.
I had a friend from turkey say there are many many companies licensed to make guns. Not all are major factories. Some are built basically in homes and garages. Alot of parts are shared between families and friendships. When I was looking into it there where just shy of 300 manufacturers listed.
There are far fewer major manufacturers and co ops like huglu but many small ones we've never heard of
There are far fewer major manufacturers and co ops like huglu but many small ones we've never heard of
Bluebulldog
Regular
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- Constance Bay ON
Weatherby - Turkish
Mossberg ( Mossberg International) - Turkish
CZ - Turkish
Stoeger M3500 - Turkish
Stevens 555 - Turkish
"Shoots just like..." is a BS phrase.
A gun will shoot like it's designed to, and it's as much to do with the shooter, as the firearm. I've seen lots of guys with the 3.5" Benelli's empty their gun, while some guy with a cheap 20 gauge pump mopped clean up....
Currently I actually have a Girsan MC312. Beautiful shooter. Inertia action, and swings lightly. Burned through a few flats of target loads on skeet with nary a burp, and handles 3.5" just as well. It's embarrassing how little it cost, some guy came into the store and "traded up".
The Canuck shotguns I've handled have the same character. Decent work horse guns. Not a lot of polish, but is it needed?
Mossberg ( Mossberg International) - Turkish
CZ - Turkish
Stoeger M3500 - Turkish
Stevens 555 - Turkish
"Shoots just like..." is a BS phrase.
A gun will shoot like it's designed to, and it's as much to do with the shooter, as the firearm. I've seen lots of guys with the 3.5" Benelli's empty their gun, while some guy with a cheap 20 gauge pump mopped clean up....
Currently I actually have a Girsan MC312. Beautiful shooter. Inertia action, and swings lightly. Burned through a few flats of target loads on skeet with nary a burp, and handles 3.5" just as well. It's embarrassing how little it cost, some guy came into the store and "traded up".
The Canuck shotguns I've handled have the same character. Decent work horse guns. Not a lot of polish, but is it needed?
Yeah, just an opinion. As I understand it ,Browning never made a single gun. However Miroku and FN did make a few. chuckle.
I firmly believe akus is the best shotgun manufacturer in turkey. Their doubles are truely highly refined and finished. They make guns under several names. They also use true bone and charcoal case color hardening and make true sidelocks
Falconflyer
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I've seen a couple of ATA shotguns with problems. One, a Beretta 686 clone new out of the box and the top lever wouldn't return to center on it's own when the action was closed and very stiff to open, poor attention to detail and non existent QC I think. Another, a Wby Sa-08 with a sheared off locking block that tells me the metallurgy is questionable.
I've also seen quite a few Yildiz guns that are worn out with very little use although they do seem to be getting better. They have a new sporting gun out that is a clone of an Mx8 Perazzi, it looks good and is getting rave reviews, particularly from the dealers that sell them... In one video I recently saw, the pompous englishman that was trying to shoot it said the Perazzi comes close to it, whatever that means. When a few thousand of them are scattered around the globe with a million or more rounds through each one of them then I may reconsider my opinion.
