Canucks' Booth taking heat for bear baiting excursion
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I think it's a knee jerk reaction to the 'baiting' part of the term.
No expert here; bears scare the #### out of me. Stepping right up to the plate and owning up to that fact right now.
But isn't putting out deer blocks under a tree stand in effect baiting them as well?
No-one freaks out over this practice.
And deer don't have the ability to climb trees and freaking eat you!
Did you sense the fear there, LOL?
No expert here; bears scare the #### out of me. Stepping right up to the plate and owning up to that fact right now.
But isn't putting out deer blocks under a tree stand in effect baiting them as well?
No-one freaks out over this practice.
And deer don't have the ability to climb trees and freaking eat you!
Did you sense the fear there, LOL?
Hey Juan... you have never baited bears have you???
Not only is baiting, hunting... but it is very difficult hunting.
Sure if you go on a guided bait hunt, you just walk to the bait site and sit in a tree stand... most of the "hunting" was done by the guide, who; picked the location of the bait site (critical), who drove miles acquiring the bait, then spent hours sorting it, then spent more hours driving to bait locations, then broke his back hauling it all... and did so for weeks prior to ever hunting the location, who did all of this for dozens of locations (some of which will never be used), who built the bait wall and/or feed station, who positioned and erected the stand for best cover and wind, who kept the area as natural as possible, who minimized scent as much as possible, who used his knowlege and experience to discourage smaller bears and encourage daylight movement of larger bears, who manipulated the bait site to acquire the best exposed shot angle for his client, who positioned the client he had the most confident in making an expert shot into the stand with the greatest possibility of a "big bear" (don't think that doesn't happen, I've done it), who tracked the bear after the shot, on his hands and knees by flashlight, who field dressed the animal and hauled it out (often on his back), who skinned the bear and then properly cooled the meat and prepared it for processing, who flesh the hide and prepared it for travel or arranged for taxidermy, who managed the emotions and frailties of the hunter, who acted as coach and counsellor to the hunter etc... etc... etc...
And tell me how this is any different than a hunter going for a guided deer hunt, where he/she is placed in a stand... or a guided moose hunt where he/she is put on horseback and walked out to the calling location.
In ALL of these scenario's the hunter still has to manage their emotions, be expertly proficient with their weapon, be seasoned enough to know when to move and when to stay still, and to bring everything together at the "moment of truth."
AND after ALL of this, the bears win most of the time... the harvest stats "bear"
-) this out.When the guide and hunter are "one and the same," the effort and knowledge required is huge... it requires energy, determination, expert knowledge of the animal and the wilderness and lots of time AND money...
Most people are HUGELY uninformed OR misinformed when it comes to hunting bears via baiting... I have done it for decades, and I have guided friends and family on hunts... it is a sport that has to be experienced to understand its difficulty and nuances.
So you tell me... is this not hunting???
Sitting in a tree stand hunting big game is not for me, hell the animal would spot me before I knew it was there. I would be to fidgety, possibly afraid of heights in a swaying tree, besides I don't know how to text on my cell phone. I wouldn't know what bait to place out for bears...................do they like pizza? I think that I will remain at ground zero and hunt bears over dandilions and clover in a natural meadow.
To each their own, however hunting big game in a tree stand over bait is not for me. I take pride in my hunting method and that is ground zero with "only" a gun, ammo, bino's, knife, rope, sandwich, water and them hit the big bush, oh ya, my hunting licence. When their down, no ATV, I carry them out. Personally, I pride myself over Booth, but not to proud to place it on You tube. This brown was taken in the Chinchaga area, not a location for the faint of heart hunters.............hunters are bear bait themselves.
To each their own, however hunting big game in a tree stand over bait is not for me. I take pride in my hunting method and that is ground zero with "only" a gun, ammo, bino's, knife, rope, sandwich, water and them hit the big bush, oh ya, my hunting licence. When their down, no ATV, I carry them out. Personally, I pride myself over Booth, but not to proud to place it on You tube. This brown was taken in the Chinchaga area, not a location for the faint of heart hunters.............hunters are bear bait themselves.
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You obviously have never actually seen what needs to be done in order to successfully bait bears.
First you have to find a location that actually has bears, cuz putting a barrel in the woods where there are no bears is going to leave you with tag soup for the winter. Then you need to set up several bait stations, and maintain these locations from a couple weeks before the season til you are successful. This means hiking through the woods with an obscene amount of dog food, bagels, molasses, or any other favorite combination. Baits are usually checked on a weekly basis, if not more often. Then theres the trail cams so you can see what bears are in the area, pick the boar you want, and hunt for that specific bear. Baiting is a much better conservation tool (for any species). It allows you to take a senior animal that is past its reproductive prime, making the least impact on the local heard/population as possible.
bearkilr
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Bear baiting is awesome, it's even easier than shooting fish in a barrel, they just fall over dead when they reach the bait site, no weapon required.
It never ceases to amaze me how many f'n moron "fellow hunters" are out there.
It never ceases to amaze me how many f'n moron "fellow hunters" are out there.
Hey Juan... you have never baited bears have you???
Not only is baiting, hunting... but it is very difficult hunting.
Sure if you go on a guided bait hunt, you just walk to the bait site and sit in a tree stand... most of the "hunting" was done by the guide, who; picked the location of the bait site (critical), who drove miles acquiring the bait, then spent hours sorting it, then spent more hours driving to bait locations, then broke his back hauling it all... and did so for weeks prior to ever hunting the location, who did all of this for dozens of locations (some of which will never be used), who built the bait wall and/or feed station, who positioned and erected the stand for best cover and wind, who kept the area as natural as possible, who minimized scent as much as possible, who used his knowlege and experience to discourage smaller bears and encourage daylight movement of larger bears, who manipulated the bait site to acquire the best exposed shot angle for his client, who positioned the client he had the most confident in making an expert shot into the stand with the greatest possibility of a "big bear" (don't think that doesn't happen, I've done it), who tracked the bear after the shot, on his hands and knees by flashlight, who field dressed the animal and hauled it out (often on his back), who skinned the bear and then properly cooled the meat and prepared it for processing, who flesh the hide and prepared it for travel or arranged for taxidermy, who managed the emotions and frailties of the hunter, who acted as coach and counsellor to the hunter etc... etc... etc...
And tell me how this is any different than a hunter going for a guided deer hunt, where he/she is placed in a stand... or a guided moose hunt where he/she is put on horseback and walked out to the calling location.
In ALL of these scenario's the hunter still has to manage their emotions, be expertly proficient with their weapon, be seasoned enough to know when to move and when to stay still, and to bring everything together at the "moment of truth."
AND after ALL of this, the bears win most of the time... the harvest stats "bear"
When the guide and hunter are "one and the same," the effort and knowledge required is huge... it requires energy, determination, expert knowledge of the animal and the wilderness and lots of time AND money...
Most people are HUGELY uninformed OR misinformed when it comes to hunting bears via baiting... I have done it for decades, and I have guided friends and family on hunts... it is a sport that has to be experienced to understand its difficulty and nuances.
So you tell me... is this not hunting???
To me, no it isn't hunting.
J
Hey Juan... you have never baited bears have you???
Not only is baiting, hunting... but it is very difficult hunting.
Sure if you go on a guided bait hunt, you just walk to the bait site and sit in a tree stand... most of the "hunting" was done by the guide, who; picked the location of the bait site (critical), who drove miles acquiring the bait, then spent hours sorting it, then spent more hours driving to bait locations, then broke his back hauling it all... and did so for weeks prior to ever hunting the location, who did all of this for dozens of locations (some of which will never be used), who built the bait wall and/or feed station, who positioned and erected the stand for best cover and wind, who kept the area as natural as possible, who minimized scent as much as possible, who used his knowlege and experience to discourage smaller bears and encourage daylight movement of larger bears, who manipulated the bait site to acquire the best exposed shot angle for his client, who positioned the client he had the most confident in making an expert shot into the stand with the greatest possibility of a "big bear" (don't think that doesn't happen, I've done it), who tracked the bear after the shot, on his hands and knees by flashlight, who field dressed the animal and hauled it out (often on his back), who skinned the bear and then properly cooled the meat and prepared it for processing, who flesh the hide and prepared it for travel or arranged for taxidermy, who managed the emotions and frailties of the hunter, who acted as coach and counsellor to the hunter etc... etc... etc...
And tell me how this is any different than a hunter going for a guided deer hunt, where he/she is placed in a stand... or a guided moose hunt where he/she is put on horseback and walked out to the calling location.
In ALL of these scenario's the hunter still has to manage their emotions, be expertly proficient with their weapon, be seasoned enough to know when to move and when to stay still, and to bring everything together at the "moment of truth."
AND after ALL of this, the bears win most of the time... the harvest stats "bear"
When the guide and hunter are "one and the same," the effort and knowledge required is huge... it requires energy, determination, expert knowledge t the animal and the wilderness and lots of time AND money...
Most people are HUGELY uninformed OR misinformed when it comes to hunting bears via baiting... I have done it for decades, and I have guided friends and family on hunts... it is a sport that has to be experienced to understand its difficulty and nuances.
So you tell me... is this not hunting???
To me, no it isn't hunting. But like I said if it is legal in your area and it is your thing have at it.
J
I believe yourself and Hoytcanon are missing the point. Scouting, hauling bait, trail cameras, etc, etc, etc for humpteen days or weeks is prep work. Preparing for the hunt shows alot of devotion, work and enthusiam, however; it is prep work, not the actual hunting. The method utilized by yourself and others is to scout by using bait and trail camera, sit in a tree stand, using a high tech bow or rifle, some are guided (Booth), using a range finder, texting to your buddies that I'm hunting bears. I smell something fishy, fish in a barrel that is. Where is the challenge?
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My good buddy operates 3 BMA's (Bear Management Areas) in central Ontario. He has a shipping container that he stocks up with bait through the winter and spring and he starts baiting for the fall season in late June. He has 32 bait locations. At the start of the bear season his clients are bait hunters and most of them- usually 80-90% of them- take a good bear. All of his bait hunters will see plenty of bears and they get to take their time to harvest good sized males. The end of his season is with hound hunters who will start their dogs off of the baits. The number of bears seen by the hound hunters is far less than the bait hunters, though they usually tree 4-10 bears in a week. Last year the hound hunters chose to harvest one good male.
The amount of labour and money involved in his set up is far more than most hunters would ever consider. Driving all over hell's half acre, clearing brush, hauling in barrels, building stands, lugging hundreds of pounds of bait to the stations every few days. I've read the comments of many "hunters" on here who condemn bait hunting, and hound hunting. I'm very certain that these anti hunters (that is exactly what they are) have never spent the time or money to set up a successful bait or train a hound- they just know that they are morally superior in the pursuit of their form of hunting. We can only hope that the uninformed don't form opinions based on what our internal anti's have to say.
The amount of labour and money involved in his set up is far more than most hunters would ever consider. Driving all over hell's half acre, clearing brush, hauling in barrels, building stands, lugging hundreds of pounds of bait to the stations every few days. I've read the comments of many "hunters" on here who condemn bait hunting, and hound hunting. I'm very certain that these anti hunters (that is exactly what they are) have never spent the time or money to set up a successful bait or train a hound- they just know that they are morally superior in the pursuit of their form of hunting. We can only hope that the uninformed don't form opinions based on what our internal anti's have to say.
canadaman30
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Plantations for deer
Flushing bird with dogs
Calling in moose
Calling in elk
Rattling deer
etc,etc is all part of hunting. Anyone who thinks baiting bear is not hunting is a troll. Howabout hunting bears over rivers full of fish in B.C. or Alaska. I guess that is not hunting as well..
Is glassing over open area's shooting game at distance not hunting??? I rattled in the biggest buck I've ever taken. I wasn't hunting, I was just advertising a fight for a great doe to mate with, what buck can turn that down, it was unfair to ambush him......
Flushing bird with dogs
Calling in moose
Calling in elk
Rattling deer
etc,etc is all part of hunting. Anyone who thinks baiting bear is not hunting is a troll. Howabout hunting bears over rivers full of fish in B.C. or Alaska. I guess that is not hunting as well..
Is glassing over open area's shooting game at distance not hunting??? I rattled in the biggest buck I've ever taken. I wasn't hunting, I was just advertising a fight for a great doe to mate with, what buck can turn that down, it was unfair to ambush him......
I have no idea why a 'hunting' web site, such as this, tolerates so-called hunters for trashing other hunters. But the mods sit on their hands and say nothing...
There should be infractions or banning in my opinion. But the mods sit on their hands and say nothing...
This debate goes on every spring from sweethearts that whine and ##### and run down bear baiting. But the mods sit on their hands and say nothing...
Hoytcanons nailed this one on the head, yet retards continue with their pithy, "it's not hunting" BS. But the mods sit on their hands and say nothing...
There should be infractions or banning in my opinion. But the mods sit on their hands and say nothing...
This debate goes on every spring from sweethearts that whine and ##### and run down bear baiting. But the mods sit on their hands and say nothing...
Hoytcanons nailed this one on the head, yet retards continue with their pithy, "it's not hunting" BS. But the mods sit on their hands and say nothing...
I'm not #####ing down bear baiting. Just simply stating it is not hunting. IDK what you are getting all mad about.
I just called a relative who is a guide. He baits bears for the Americans to come up and shoot. Although the bait has to be gone before they shoot, he says he could easily bait a bear in and shoot it and agrees that baiting is not hunting.
I would hope you aren't suggesting mods ban people for opinions.
As far as all the other comparisons, would anyone here consider spotlighting hunting?
J
I just called a relative who is a guide. He baits bears for the Americans to come up and shoot. Although the bait has to be gone before they shoot, he says he could easily bait a bear in and shoot it and agrees that baiting is not hunting.
I would hope you aren't suggesting mods ban people for opinions.
As far as all the other comparisons, would anyone here consider spotlighting hunting?
J
I have no idea why a 'hunting' web site, such as this, tolerates so-called hunters for trashing other hunters. But the mods sit on their hands and say nothing...
There should be infractions or banning in my opinion. But the mods sit on their hands and say nothing...
This debate goes on every spring from sweethearts that whine and ##### and run down bear baiting. But the mods sit on their hands and say nothing...
Hoytcanons nailed this one on the head, yet retards continue with their pithy, "it's not hunting" BS. But the mods sit on their hands and say nothing...
Everyone has do's and don't's, different methods of hunting, feelings, thoughts, and the right to their own opinion. An infraction for one's opinion? You have to be kidding me. What do you want from members of this forum, a "that a boy" everytime a thread or post is initiated?
so you find fishing morally bankrupt? I ask, because fishing doesn't seem to get nearly the same dogma that hunting using bait does.
I don't bait when hunting either, but it doesn't bother me that people do as long as population numbers stay healthy.
^ To all hunters reading this: If Mods giving guys infractions (or even banning guys), is what it would take to make hunters realize that we cannot rip on others for pursuing their type of hunting (as long as it's legal), then yeah, I am serious. All of us hunters have to stop this type of s**t! We gotta support each other!
It's real easy to just 'walk away'. If you don't like it, then go do something else. Feel free to enter into discussion on anything you do like and leave the stuff that bothers you to f**k alone...
We're all hunters right?
Well what good does it do when any of us, comes into a thread, and starts with running it down, saying "it's not hunting" or whatever? There's just no benefit whatsoever in doing that.
A bunch of people have given excellent explanations regarding the effort and difficulty of bear baiting, yet guys persist in running it down. It's an annual thing actually, with the holy-than-thou crowd on here, and it pisses me right to f**k off!
And I will admit, I have been guilty of doing it in the past. I've made comments regarding crossbow hunting, long range hunting etc...
Those times, I did that, I got shouted down pretty quickly, and good on those guys for setting me straight. But I learned not to criticize other guys, that are engaged in perfectly legal hunting activiites, whether it's my thing or not.
Jim.
It's real easy to just 'walk away'. If you don't like it, then go do something else. Feel free to enter into discussion on anything you do like and leave the stuff that bothers you to f**k alone...
We're all hunters right?
Well what good does it do when any of us, comes into a thread, and starts with running it down, saying "it's not hunting" or whatever? There's just no benefit whatsoever in doing that.
A bunch of people have given excellent explanations regarding the effort and difficulty of bear baiting, yet guys persist in running it down. It's an annual thing actually, with the holy-than-thou crowd on here, and it pisses me right to f**k off!
And I will admit, I have been guilty of doing it in the past. I've made comments regarding crossbow hunting, long range hunting etc...
Those times, I did that, I got shouted down pretty quickly, and good on those guys for setting me straight. But I learned not to criticize other guys, that are engaged in perfectly legal hunting activiites, whether it's my thing or not.
Jim.
Brutus
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Hhhmm, living here in NE Alberta, I've had the opportunity to bump into black bears at least a dozen or fourteen times close up.
Sometimes with and sometimes without a firearm.
Only one thing is certain, they are unpredictable. IE-Just when you think you've 'figured them out' along comes a truly brazen one & your plan is sunk.
canadaman30
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