Canucks' Booth taking heat for bear baiting excursion

Getting back to topic, the whole point of this thread, was that lefties and non-hunters were trashing David Booth, for killing a magnificent trophy black bear. Ethically. Expertly placed shot. Humane kill. And you would think hunters would stand up and defend each other. But nope, not you.

And you won't let it go... ?? You've been draggin this BS out for 2-3 days or something.

A lot of guys have given excellent answers regarding this. But you stupidly continue to trash them. So that's why I figure maybe you're retarded. Hitting your head on the wall like that.

I'm amazed that you persist in this idiotic debate with Hoyt, when the guy is clearly an expert hunter. How can you not see that? Look at those great, mature trophies that he's taken with bow & arrow. That's friggin' awesome.
Yet somehow you continue to question the guy. You challenged Hoyt to hunt the big ones, after he's already posted numerous pics of big ones... ?? What!? That confused me!!

Your statement that a rifle kills more certainly than a well placed broadhead is BS. It's not true. Watch the video of Jack Brittingham, taking the World Record Brown Bear, with bow and arrow, then tell me a broadhead is not lethal.

Using a range finder for a bow hunter is simply common sense, ethical hunting.

You throw out pithy comments, looking down your nose at bow hunters, bait hunters, while you walk around with a .300WSM.

What the hell is wrong with a GPS or a game camera!?

Is a compass okay?

Do you drive a pickup to your hunting area or are you doing it the 'hard way' there too?

Do you use a scope on your rifles? Wouldn't that be wrong?




Back to a point I made earlier; if you don't like bait hunting, and you're not going to change your mind, then at least shut the f**k up about it.




Btw, I still would like to see pics of your big game kills, I'm sure you've dropped your share, living where you do. That's wicked whitetail country.

So I ask you for a few pics of your big game animals, because I cannot find any of your game animal pics on this site.


P.S. The correct spelling is immature...
 
Demonical said:
Getting back to topic, the whole point of this thread, was that lefties and non-hunters were trashing David Booth, for killing a magnificent trophy black bear. Ethically. Expertly placed shot. Humane kill. And you would think hunters would stand up and defend each other. But nope, not you.

And you won't let it go... ?? You've been draggin this BS out for 2-3 days or something.

A lot of guys have given excellent answers regarding this. But you stupidly continue to trash them. So that's why I figure maybe you're retarded. Hitting your head on the wall like that.

I'm amazed that you persist in this idiotic debate with Hoyt, when the guy is clearly an expert hunter. How can you not see that? Look at those great, mature trophies that he's taken with bow & arrow. That's friggin' awesome.
Yet somehow you continue to question the guy. You challenged Hoyt to hunt the big ones, after he's already posted numerous pics of big ones... ?? What!? That confused me!!

Your statement that a rifle kills more certainly than a well placed broadhead is BS. It's not true. Watch the video of Jack Brittingham, taking the World Record Brown Bear, with bow and arrow, then tell me a broadhead is not lethal.

Using a range finder for a bow hunter is simply common sense, ethical hunting.

You throw out pithy comments, looking down your nose at bow hunters, bait hunters, while you walk around with a .300WSM.

What the hell is wrong with a GPS or a game camera!?

Is a compass okay?

Do you drive a pickup to your hunting area or are you doing it the 'hardway' there too?

Do you use a scope on your rifles? Wouldn't that be wrong?




Back to a point I made earlier; if you don't like bait hunting, and you're not going to change your mind, then at least shut the f**k up about it.




Btw, I still would like to see pics of your big game kills, I'm sure you've dropped your share, living where you do. That's wicked whitetail country.

So I ask you for a few pics of your big game animals, because I cannot find any of your game animal pics on this site.


P.S. The correct spelling is immature...
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LOL!!! Man did I get you all worked-up. Profane language is still not very mature. Southern Alberta has limited big whitetails in comparison to central and northern Alberta, and no, I don't have to show you any animals that I have harvested. You go ahead and place some whitetail photo's up on your next post.
There is nothing wrong with Hoyt's animals, except a bit on the immature side, however; the bear is quite nice. I guess that my expectations is to harvest something bigger in antler size.

However, this is off topic and I will never be convienced that killing over bait is hunting or sporting. My opinion weather you like it or not.
 
To bait, or not to bait....that's the ethical/political question of the week.
When I fish I use bait instead of artificials. When I hunt I use the "bait"
that nature provides. IE: Tree standing deer overlooking foraging areas
and heavily traveled deer trails.

If hunting in an area that allows for baiting, then I'll gladly do so to get my
one critter. I don't hunt for trophy game, just the one animal I need to fill the freezer.
I'll usually use a rifle except in the thick stuff where I prefer the 12 gauge.

No need for hunters to piss on each other about legal hunting methods.
That's just what the socialists & P.E.T.A retards want so they can divide us
and screw our rights.
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There's one thing I think we can all agree on, F**K the CBC!
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track said:
You still don't get the point. Your comparing bow hunting with rifle and prep work as "hunting" in your mini bio....

...Go ahead and sit on your laurels 15 to 20 feet in a tree stand with gun or bow and "kill/ambush" a big game animal over a bait pile.

Not my idea of hunting, nor with many other hunters and non hunters.

I believe in humane kills and that is why I hunt with only a rifle.................much more deadly than a bow and arrow or any other legal weapon.

My point is that I don't avocate killing big game animals over "bait", weather it is with a rifle or bow and arrow.
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I am going to do my very best to remain calm and rebutt the attitude that you are presenting here... It is very clear to me that I will not change YOUR mind... the arrogance, legalism and judgmental nature of your comments on this thread reveal what is going on inside... as far as Track is concerned, the way he views the world is the RIGHT way... and the way that Track chooses to hunt is the ONLY way, and the weapon that Track chooses is the ONLY HUMANE way... what you are revealing here Track is your very nature as a person... It must be VERY HARD for the people in your life to measure up to your ofty standards... I'll bet they don't and they feel it.

So let me address the quoted portions of your diatribe;

You call all portions of the "hunting" experience, "Prep work." So I deduce Mr. Track that to you hunting is a MAN and a GUN on the ground stalking his quarry, that is "fair chase" in your estimation... anyone laying in wait is NOT hunting... is that anyone in wait on a treestand over bait? Or anyone in wait on a treestand? Or anyone in wait in an elevated position, like a hillside etc...? What would constitute bait? A man made food station with donuts would be a bait, thus negates hunting? A river with a man made fish ladder that unnaturally concentrates fish activity thus attracting bears, would that also be bait and thus negate hunting? How about a crop field that was planted by a farmer and attracts game... would sitting over the field or stalking through the field be unsportsman like and not in Mr. Track's estimation, be hunting? How about an oak ridge dropping acorns, if one was sitting on a log waiting, one would NOT be hunting, but if one was stalking along slowly and quietly in his flip-flops and shorts, then one would be hunting? You are an arrogant elitist.

How about this gem;

"Not my idea of hunting, nor with many other hunters and non hunters."

Nobody is asking you to go hunt over a bait... hunt however you want... but slamming other hunters legal methods... and "in essence" declaring them unsporting slobs is counterproductive to the overall good of the sporting community... at the very least, it doesn't make you many friends.


This is a good one Track;

"I believe in humane kills and that is why I hunt with only a rifle.................much more deadly than a bow and arrow or any other legal weapon."

Have you ever used a bow Mr. Track? I am guessing that you have not... have you ever witnessed a big game animal harvested with a bow... probably not. I have taken dozens of game animals... even a couple little tiny meat bears, like the one in your "shepherd with the bloody lamb" photo above... and bows are EQUALLY deadly weapons to centerfire rifles... they just kill in an entirely different way... via hemorage rather than shock and pulverization... arrows are designed to "resist" shedding their energy and result in LONG wound channels, cutting major tissue and organs... bulletts are designed to "rapidly" shed energy on a short wound path and cause massive shock and pulverization of tissues... neither is more deadly than the other... they are just different. Mr. Track, do you understand "wounding loss?" Animals wounded with Non-lethal arrow wounds have an extremely high recovery rate... a MUCH higher recovery rate than animals struck with Non-lethal wounds inflicted by centerfire bullets. In addition, bowhunters are a particularly dedicated lot... they practice regularly and hunt at very close ranges where animals can be properly identified and arrows can be delivered with precision... bowhunters do not subscribe to the "spray and pray" philosophy.

Finally;

"My point is that I don't avocate killing big game animals over "bait", weather it is with a rifle or bow and arrow."

But you talk about trotting up to your dandelion meadow and harvesting your bear there... how do you do that? Do you "lay in wait" at the field edge... surely not, that wouldn't be hunting. Do you continuously skulk through the treeline bordering the field until you come "face to face" with little brown bears, then ram the barrel of your centerfire weapon down its throat and pull the trigger??? Do you give the animals in the area fair notice of your presence to ensure that all is "fair chase?" I can see that baiting is not for you... it takes a lot of hard work and determination, and you can't seem to find the energy to put on your pants when you go hunting... but do ALL of the rest of us "hunters" (and I use that term loosely, because I don't want to offend your sensibilities) a favor... go sit in your meadow, you won't be on CGN with your elitist attitude, because we all know that you would NEVER stoop to bringing a laptop into the wilderness on one of your Classic Hunting Adventures...

I'm surprised that you don't hunt with a bowie knife or maybe your "bear" hands... now THAT would be hunting!!!
 
track said:
LOL!!! Man did I get you all worked-up. Profane language is still not very mature. Southern Alberta has limited big whitetails in comparison to central and northern Alberta, and no, I don't have to show you any animals that I have harvested. You go ahead and place some whitetail photo's up on your next post.
There is nothing wrong with Hoyt's animals, except a bit on the immature side, however; the bear is quite nice. I guess that my expectations is to harvest something bigger in antler size.

However, this is off topic and I will never be convienced that killing over bait is hunting or sporting. My opinion weather you like it or not.
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I haven't gotten into this to brag about 'mine versus yours'. Besides, I've never shot any big animals to speak of.

I've been trying to get you to see that there's nothing whotsoever wrong with what David Booth did.

But you struggle to grasp the concept.
 
Demonical said:
Let's see some pics of those big whitetails you've killed.
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Hey Partner... poor ole' Track has indeed taken some nice whitetail bucks... I have seen the pics... he has this weird thing about laying on top of them for the photo's... his son has taken some nice ones too... they are obviously passionate hunter's and thats great... it's just too bad he has revealed this arrogant and judgmental side, and done so on a public forum... anti-hunters love seeing us fighting "in house."
 
hoytcanon said:
I am going to do my very best to remain calm and rebutt the attitude that you are presenting here... It is very clear to me that I will not change YOUR mind... the arrogance, legalism and judgmental nature of your comments on this thread reveal what is going on inside... as far as Track is concerned, the way he views the world is the RIGHT way... and the way that Track chooses to hunt is the ONLY way, and the weapon that Track chooses is the ONLY HUMANE way... what you are revealing here Track is your very nature as a person... It must be VERY HARD for the people in your life to measure up to your ofty standards... I'll bet they don't and they feel it.

So let me address the quoted portions of your diatribe;

You call all portions of the "hunting" experience, "Prep work." So I deduce Mr. Track that to you hunting is a MAN and a GUN on the ground stalking his quarry, that is "fair chase" in your estimation... anyone laying in wait is NOT hunting... is that anyone in wait on a treestand over bait? Or anyone in wait on a treestand? Or anyone in wait in an elevated position, like a hillside etc...? What would constitute bait? A man made food station with donuts would be a bait, thus negates hunting? A river with a man made fish ladder that unnaturally concentrates fish activity thus attracting bears, would that also be bait and thus negate hunting? How about a crop field that was planted by a farmer and attracts game... would sitting over the field or stalking through the field be unsportsman like and not in Mr. Track's estimation, be hunting? How about an oak ridge dropping acorns, if one was sitting on a log waiting, one would NOT be hunting, but if one was stalking along slowly and quietly in his flip-flops and shorts, then one would be hunting? You are an arrogant elitist.

How about this gem;

"Not my idea of hunting, nor with many other hunters and non hunters."

Nobody is asking you to go hunt over a bait... hunt however you want... but slamming other hunters legal methods... and "in essence" declaring them unsporting slobs is counterproductive to the overall good of the sporting community... at the very least, it doesn't make you many friends.


This is a good one Track;

"I believe in humane kills and that is why I hunt with only a rifle.................much more deadly than a bow and arrow or any other legal weapon."

Have you ever used a bow Mr. Track? I am guessing that you have not... have you ever witnessed a big game animal harvested with a bow... probably not. I have taken dozens of game animals... even a couple little tiny meat bears, like the one in your "shepherd with the bloody lamb" photo above... and bows are EQUALLY deadly weapons to centerfire rifles... they just kill in an entirely different way... via hemorage rather than shock and pulverization... arrows are designed to "resist" shedding their energy and result in LONG wound channels, cutting major tissue and organs... bulletts are designed to "rapidly" shed energy on a short wound path and cause massive shock and pulverization of tissues... neither is more deadly than the other... they are just different. Mr. Track, do you understand "wounding loss?" Animals wounded with Non-lethal arrow wounds have an extremely high recovery rate... a MUCH higher recovery rate than animals struck with Non-lethal wounds inflicted by centerfire bullets. In addition, bowhunters are a particularly dedicated lot... they practice regularly and hunt at very close ranges where animals can be properly identified and arrows can be delivered with precision... bowhunters do not subscribe to the "spray and pray" philosophy.

Finally;

"My point is that I don't avocate killing big game animals over "bait", weather it is with a rifle or bow and arrow."

But you talk about trotting up to your dandelion meadow and harvesting your bear there... how do you do that? Do you "lay in wait" at the field edge... surely not, that wouldn't be hunting. Do you continuously skulk through the treeline bordering the field until you come "face to face" with little brown bears, then ram the barrel of your centerfire weapon down its throat and pull the trigger??? Do you give the animals in the area fair notice of your presence to ensure that all is "fair chase?" I can see that baiting is not for you... it takes a lot of hard work and determination, and you can't seem to find the energy to put on your pants when you go hunting... but do ALL of the rest of us "hunters" (and I use that term loosely, because I don't want to offend your sensibilities) a favor... go sit in your meadow, you won't be on CGN with your elitist attitude, because we all know that you would NEVER stoop to bringing a laptop into the wilderness on one of your Classic Hunting Adventures...

I'm surprised that you don't hunt with a bowie knife or maybe your "bear" hands... now THAT would be hunting!!!
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LOL!!!d:h:
 
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track said:
LOL!!!d:h:
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At first I thought you were saying that was me beating the dead horse... but then I realized he had no pants on, so that must be you. At any rate, I've had my say... movin' on. Good day to you Track... hope you have a great year in the outdoors.
 
Juan For All said:
Alright, in reading all the posts I will go back on what I said and say it is hunting, not my thing, but none the less that doesn't make it any less than hunting. Who knows maybe I will give it a try with someone now.

I didn't intend to insult anyone but I certainly see why you would be from my opinion.

And finally, that dude carrying the bear is impressive!

J
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:cheers: Great Post. By all means, if you get a chance to go out with someone you know and respect who hunts bears over bait, take the opportunity, if just to observe. Everyone I know who has done so for the first time comes away with a much better appreciation of this form of hunting than they had prior to going out.
 
hoytcanon said:
At first I thought you were saying that was me beating the dead horse... but then I realized he had no pants on, so that must be you. At any rate, I've had my say... movin' on. Good day to you Track... hope you have a great year in the outdoors.
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Likewise.:cheers:
 
track said:
Never required bait, tree stands ,trail cameras, ATV, range finder, GPS or other high tech gadgets...............just good old scouting and hunting. Find bear tracks, scat, clover, dandilions, etc and you will find the bear................tracks is the best indicator. I never could imagine hunting "any" big game animal over bait, I find it most unsporting and reeks no hunting skills from this method. Law or no law, it's shooting fish in a barrel.
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So you are hunting bears over a food source??

BTW, I use many methods in pursuit of big game...Sometimes I spot and stalk, sometimes I'm up a tree, sometimes we push with dogs, sometimes we use bait...I don't see how using legal methods of hunting is somehow diminishing my hunting skills. Regardless of the tools I employ, I still have to be in an area where there are animals...that involves scouting, tracking, patterning animals, examining scat for food sources etc...

You are more than welcome to hunt the way you want, let everyone else do the same...

And to insult a man's harvest because it is immature is ignorant, elitist, and downright rude. You should be ashamed of yourself. Not everyone is a trophy hunter...some people have freezers to fill.
 
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He has proven his arrogance here numerous times. And Track is now proving that he is hypocritical too. Not long ago he was spouting off about how he spends the extra time to always clean up the blood and pose the animal in a natural lifelike position so it does not disrespect the animal for photos and anyone who didnt do it was a "stupid redneck". (Yet in this thread he is against name calling.) Yet here is track showing a photo of him and his manly shorts covered in blood with a little cub slung across his shoulders to try make himself look like some manly hero.
 
sksavenger said:
He has proven his arrogance here numerous times. And Track is now proving that he is hypocritical too. Not long ago he was spouting off about how he spends the extra time to always clean up the blood and pose the animal in a natural lifelike position so it does not disrespect the animal for photos and anyone who didnt do it was a "stupid redneck". (Yet in this thread he is against name calling.) Yet here is track showing a photo of him and his manly shorts covered in blood with a little cub slung across his shoulders to try make himself look like some manly hero.
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Nice to see some of you guys are paying attention ;)

That Track is a classsss act... :rolleyes:
 
crazy_davey said:
Nice to see some of you guys are paying attention ;)

That Track is a classsss act... :rolleyes:
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It appears that you also joined the crew of childish, immature name calling as well. Lots of you guys take it to a level that a grade 2 teacher can understand. You give it out, but you sure don't like to receive.d:h:
 
track said:
It appears that you also joined the crew of childish, immature name calling as well. Lots of you guys take it to a level that a grade 2 teacher can understand. You give it out, but you sure don't like to receive.d:h:
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Excuse me??? WTF are you talking about? You had better learn to read, I never once called you any names :rolleyes:. And what exactly am I receiving, are you dishing something out?

Same guy you always were Track, some things never change...
 
track said:
I take pride in my hunting method and that is ground zero with "only" a gun, ammo, bino's, knife, rope, sandwich, water and them hit the big bush, oh ya, my hunting licence. When their down, no ATV, I carry them out.
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Perhaps you could educate yourself on skinning and deboning, then you could stuff everything into a pack. Of course that would ruin the photo op of trying to make yourself appear as the "mighty hunter" to the uninformed. Proper hunting attire would help as well, as the way you're dressed, I'm willing to wager a bet you're wearing Birkenstock's. ;)
 
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