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WOW !!! Now that is quite a statement. Anything to back it up with or just hot air?
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WOW !!! Now that is quite a statement. Anything to back it up with or just hot air?
Fierce= 6 to 8 months for a McGowan ,at a cost of $800 U.S. ATRS = 6 to 8 months for a proof , at a cost of $1700 CAD. Couldn't reach the Chou brothers and bighorn is closed until the 24 th. in any event ,6 to 8 months! I couldn't wait 3 months for the Ruger precision, let alone 8 months...
Well considering you sell proof barrels at $1700 and I have personally shot one and it was junk, and I can and have got more than one benchmark carbon wrapped barrel at about $1300 that shot sub Moa all day long. I'd say ya I can back it up and am not blowing hot air
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So how many Proof barrels have you had to use as a baseline for your comparison?
Personally I own 4 rifles with Proof CFW barrels and all shoot well under .5 MOA. To date we have built about 200 Precision rifle and 150 MH rifles all with Proof CFW barrels and have encountered 1 that would not shoot, which was replaced without any question by Proof.
I seem to recall someone in your neck of the woods posting derogatory stuff on social media about Proof. I was contacted by Proof to try and resolve the problem but the party posting never responded.
We are extremely particular as to not only how various barrel makers barrel perform, but also how they deal with problems when they arise, as
ANYONE who manufactures anything can have a product fail, how it is dealt with however is what really matters.
Maybe I should try a Benchmark? Their conventional barrels are decent quality for sure.
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So is a proof barrel $700 better than a McGowan? YES!! It is.
And is a benchmark $300 better than the Mc Gowan? I think so, but this is only based on experience with their conventional barrels, I have yet to test their CFW version.
Well considering I don't on social media of any type other than cgn. The person you think I am is not me. I have had only one proof barrel and it did not shoot as well as I thought it should plain and simple. I have had one than one benchmark and they have all shot very well. And as far as posting anything about proof anywhere that was not me, the barrel I had I wasn't happy with I simply just changed it out and moved on. But thanks for accusing me of something you have no facts to back up. I used to be be a supporter of atrs and have had more than one rifle built in your shop but that will be the last of my business that you'll be seeing
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No accusations were made or assumed. Simply a comment that "someone" in the SE part of Alberta as in an unknown party who happened to inhabit that part of the province had posted stuff on facebook, but would not respond to an offer of help. Proof was concerned enough to contact me and given the volume of rifles we build with Proof barrels I too was concerned so tried to reach out to this unknown individual to see what could be done to resolve his issues.
It seems you took the comment the wrong way or read something into it that was not there or intended. I apologize if you took it the wrong way.
Didn't mean to start a racket , I'm just trying to find a CWB for my Rem. I'm getting tired of buying cheap stuff and having to upgrade later.( always taking a loss). So I was just wondering what does a $1700 barrel do better than a $1000 barrel.
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The actual barrel is only part of the equation. The best barrels in the world poorly machined and fitted will not make a precise shooter any more than the best machine work and fitting will make a crap barrel into a great shooter.
I have seen a some high end parts that should have made a great shooter turned to junk by less than skilled assemblers.
Wasn't me, not on Facebook
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Me neither! Personally I think social media is more of a social disease than anything else.
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Not trying to start a fire but if you want pure precision and accuracy, there are plenty of "solid" steel match barrels to choose from.
If you want the LCF of the CWB, by all means.. have at it. Will they out shoot a quality match barrel from a top tier manf?
I haven't seen it yet but would love to see results from those with positive results. The history of these things has not been positive but tech changes and new manf are suggesting the problems have been solved.
I look forward to seeing groups from rifles built with these barrels.
Would be great to see this tech has finally been resolved.
Jerry
I'm looking at the Carbon fiber barrel for the weight saving. I know there are other barrels that are probably more accurate.accuracy is also important to me . What does a $1700 barrel have to offer me that a &1000 barrel doesn't? Never mind the install , just 2 barrels , side by side. What is the extra $700 getting for me? Is this a difficult question? If so excuse my ignorance. Two barrels , side by side , what's the difference. Will the carbon wrap last longer on one?Will one shoot more rnds? Is one , way more accurate than the other? If yes to either of those questions , then I can justify the 70% Increase in cost.
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IMHO the benchmarks will shoot better than the other two brands mentioned. But I'm biased because 90% of my rifles wear benchmark barrels. 
Here is my custom hunting rifle chambered in 7mm stw build with a benchmark action and carbon wrap barrel.
Here is my custom hunting rifle chambered in 7mm stw build with a benchmark action and carbon wrap barrel.
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Unfortunately it is not quite that simple.
Even taking 2 identical barrels from the same maker, made 1 after the other you can have 2 wholly different experiences in accuracy, what load it likes and barrel life.
The only significant advantage I see to the CFW barrels is weight saving.
My experience with CFW barrels is that you can fire quite a few more rounds out of a barrel that has the CFW technology before the barrel deflects from heat. this is based on same cartridge and same barrel contour. The CFW barrel will get VERY hot as does the conventional barrel but will cool much faster.
Keep in mind that fire cracking will also be accelerated if a barrel is run hot, so barrel life will be decreased. This makes the increased cost of the CFW barrel even more exaggerated.
The guys at Proof are claiming that barrel life is better due to the better cooling of their barrels, this is partially due to their proprietary epoxy that is claimed to have significantly better thermal transfer than the other brands of CFW barrels, but in the real world I think 1 is splitting hairs here.
I guess the question YOU really need to address is what the rifles main purpose is going to be.
IF it is going to be primarily a target rifle where a high round count per year is the plan, a conventional stainless steel barrel would be my suggestion, partly for cost and partly as weight is not a huge issue. This is the reason 1 does not see many CFW barrels on the line at the competitions, serious competitors change barrels often and cost IS a factor.
Where I see the CFW barrels being an advantage is in a hybrid hunting rifle that is set up for long range work. To have the advantages of a heavy contour barrel but not the weight to have to hump around when hunting. Having 2 virtually identical rifles with a weight difference of 5 lbs makes a difference in my mind for a hunting application.
On a LR hunter optics such as the big NF or SBs tend to make for truly heavy rifles, coupled with a conventional heavy barrel you can end up with a 16 lb rifle which sucks when it comes to hiking around with it compared to the same rig that only weighs 11 lbs.
That's a great answer, thanks. I have a Cadex chassis that should be here any day and a Nightforce on order. I'm going to be using this for some target shooting, few hundred rnds or so a yr ,and hunting. That's where the CWB would be appreciated. So yes a hybrid it is.
My understanding Rick is that $1700 is partially due to the exchange rate so the current price is somewhat inflated due to that until things improve.
I have put my LR Hybrid hunter project on hold due to the exchange rate as it was costing me way more money than I had budgeted.
I have put my LR Hybrid hunter project on hold due to the exchange rate as it was costing me way more money than I had budgeted.
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The lack of value the Loonie has currently is definitely a big part of the cost. We have seen a 20% increase cost since Jan 2015 solely due to the currency exchange rate.
For us it is a double edged sword as now we are getting inquiries from US rifle makers to supply them actions and parts as they see the financial benefit of buying Canadian made but paid for in USD.
